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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #30 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #31 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #32 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

Nice thought that but it is extremism they are desperate for. Still maintain the general public are thick, don't know what they want and would believe anything so long as it keeps their short attention span entertained. The truth is irrelevant.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #33 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:27pm

nairbe wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

Nice thought that but it is extremism they are desperate for. Still maintain the general public are thick, don't know what they want and would believe anything so long as it keeps their short attention span entertained. The truth is irrelevant.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #34 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:39pm

nairbe wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

Nice thought that but it is extremism they are desperate for. Still maintain the general public are thick, don't know what they want and would believe anything so long as it keeps their short attention span entertained. The truth is irrelevant.

Thats a totally unsubstantiated assertion, the people have zero tolerance for corruption, instability, insecurity and ideological radical extremism and they will turn on and bury any radical Government in a hearty beat, that has been clearly seen from the time of Howards disgrace till now, all parties are paralyzed by abysmal polling and contempt of the public. Leadership tensions in the liberal party would surface almost immediately Abbott shows his hand as an extremist. Believe me, I want to get rid of the entire current Government so we can get at the Abbott team at the earliest opportunity. I cant wait till we get a crack at Abbott.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #35 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come.

Maybe, maybe not.
A lot of the current Liberal love is left over from Howard.
The Howard battlers will be the 1st to feel any abolition of penalty rates,reduction of minimum hours, or anyother workchoices style refom.
He loses them and the election after next is back to 50/50.

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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 102793	Re: What happens on Tuesday? Reply #36 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:05pm He's not likely to stick the Howard Battlers. First. It'll be a slow burn. It took Howard 10 years to get the ticker to put in the industrial reform agenda he'd been promising since the 1980s. All Abbott has to do is stay in power.
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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 102793	Re: What happens on Tuesday? Reply #37 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:07pm Either that, or Abbott will take the first 100 days route; the Kennett strategy, the band aid removal. We won't know until he's in. Will Abbott be a Howard conservative? Or a mad monk?
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Reply #38 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:10pm

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

He's not likely to stick the Howard Battlers. First. It'll be a slow burn.

It took Howard 10 years to get the ticker to put in the industrial reform agenda he'd been promising since the 1980s.

All Abbott has to do is stay in power.

You obviously think he is smarter than he is and underestimate how important their workplace reform is to them.

Howard waited for 10 years only because he didn't have the numbers to push it through.

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Reply #39 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come.

Maybe, maybe not.
A lot of the current Liberal love is left over from Howard.
The Howard battlers will be the 1st to feel any abolition of penalty rates,reduction of minimum hours, or anyother workchoices style refom.
He loses them and the election after next is back to 50/50.

Not going to happen. He would repay Howard poorly for his mentoring if he did nothing but copy him, 5-10 years on. He is smarter than bulldozing through another Workschoices. That would be his 'no carbon tax under the government I lead' momement. He's not going to fall into such a trap.
Believe it or not, Abbott is learning both from Howard's demise and from the currrent Labor debacle. You call Abbott anything you like, but not stupid.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #41 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

It took Howard 10 years to get the ticker to put in the industrial reform agenda he'd been promising since the 1980s.

No I think if he achieved the majority in both houses earlier he would have done it.
It was the senate that held him back not timing.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Abbott is learning both from Howard's demise and from the currrent Labor debacle.

Well hopefully he goes a bit further back as well and studies Keating.

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Reply #42 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:35pm

The ALP is using workchoices as scare tactics - the fact is we will get rid of them, then we will deal with Abbott - but nothing will save the ALP from the political annihilation they so richly deserve. The only thing that is certain is that we will be waiting for the ALP come polling day with baseball bats and take our vengeance out on the lot of them. Wink

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #43 - Feb 25^th, 2012 at 6:16am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

If Turnbull likes being in the liberal party, then he will not challenge and take away the full advantage of being a stable party.

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Turnbull is another egotist with in-built Labor values.

The only difference is that he is capability in business - somewhat akin to Therese Rudd--

These two would make a good partnership.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #44 - Feb 25^th, 2012 at 6:28am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:36pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

If Turnbull likes being in the liberal party, then he will not challenge and take away the full advantage of being a stable party.

Turnbull will challenge again and will win.
Either after next election if Abbott loses or 18 months after Abbott is elected and someone will be required to clean up the mess.

because he had the job once and was miserable at it?

Yet again you continue to ignore the circumstances surrounding Turnbulls leadership.
He was impatient and should have never taken the leadership,they needed a patsy like Labors leader after Monday.
Rudd was never going to be touched in that 1st term until he shelved the ETS, he was leading a government that had a mandate to bring at least something in as far as CC goes.
But he squibbed and lost a massive amount of respect and support with the public.
If Abbott hadn't of sniffed his chance after Copenhagen failure, Turnbull would be PPM by at least 20 points Labors primary would be even lower.
Then again he'd be PM with a majority government if he was against Gillard last election

sheer presumption and frankly, silly. Turnball muffed his chance and there is no way of knowing how he woudl ahve ended up if he handt done so. the problem is that he DID.

the reason Turnball was not liked well by the public is that there was already a Labor PM. Turnball just sounded like another Labor person as did his predecessor. Abbott is successful because he is actually a real Liberal - not labor Lite like Turnball and Nelson.

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Not really look at the polls you often sight as to the PPM Turnbull v Abbott

He is NOTHING like a real Liberal, his a Conservative(if anything I doubt he even really knows)

Every policy, sorry aspiration I've heard flies in the face of the party formed by Menzies.

Spend even more tax dollars - DA
Waste more tax dollars - MCW

The only thing is even close to Liberal policy is the war on Union/Workers rights, but that isn't even real Liberal policy just fawning to the Business Unions, as Menzies party realised social conscience/justice was a key ingredient of a cohesive society.

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The problem is that Labor diehards will always give the sly nod to an impossible challenger, in this instance, Turnbull.

Turnbull had proven that he isn't sure on what side of the road he is travelling--

By showing his preference for the carbon tax, would the electorate or his conservative colleagues favour him for the lead?

In a subdued way, he is behaving like Rudd.

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