longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:


Yet again you continue to ignore the circumstances surrounding Turnbulls leadership.
He was impatient and should have never taken the leadership,they needed a patsy like Labors leader after Monday.
Rudd was never going to be touched in that 1st term until he shelved the ETS, he was leading a government that had a mandate to bring at least something in as far as CC goes.
But he squibbed and lost a massive amount of respect and support with the public.
If Abbott hadn't of sniffed his chance after Copenhagen failure, Turnbull would be PPM by at least 20 points Labors primary would be even lower.
Then again he'd be PM with a majority government if he was against Gillard last election

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:


sheer presumption and frankly, silly. Turnball muffed his chance and there is no way of knowing how he woudl ahve ended up if he handt done so. the problem is that he DID.

the reason Turnball was not liked well by the public is that there was already a Labor PM. Turnball just sounded like another Labor person as did his predecessor. Abbott is successful because he is actually a real Liberal - not labor Lite like Turnball and Nelson.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:36pm:


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Not really look at the polls you often sight as to the PPM Turnbull v Abbott

He is NOTHING like a real Liberal, his a Conservative(if anything I doubt he even really knows)

Every policy, sorry aspiration I've heard flies in the face of the party formed by Menzies.

Spend even more tax dollars - DA
Waste more tax dollars - MCW

The only thing is even close to Liberal policy is the war on Union/Workers rights, but that isn't even real Liberal policy just fawning to the Business Unions, as Menzies party realised social conscience/justice was a key ingredient of a cohesive society.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:53pm:


so you want what exactly? Howard polices, Menzies POlicies or Keating policies. Abbott hasnt given much policy yet you feel free to deem him some hard-right like you were a Greens-Lose sycophant (which you arent). Oppositions dont give out much policy nowadays until elections so most of what you assume is just that: assumption.

Perhaps what you really dont like is that fact that ANYONE can beat labor at the moment. Nelson could probably be in front at the moment. But the fact of the matter is that Abbott is a LIBERAL in the mode that we know and understand. he's not labor lite (both his predecessors were ex labor party members and it shows!)

Abbott actually stands for something and seems willing to go for it. Rudd stand for what? HIMSELF? Gilalrd stands for what? anything that keeps her in power.

I dont know how good Abbott will be as PM. But so far he has surprised everyone - including himself. Big circumstances tend to either MAKE people or break them. So far, it has MADE abbott. most people thought he was a temporary placeholder while a 'real' leader appeared. INstead, he has destroyed two PMs, gone close to winning an unwinnable election (and arguably DID win) and now leads by close to a record majority.

Impressive stuff. All Rudd did was win an election that couldnt be lost. ALl Gillard did was take a winnable margin and turn it into a loss salvaged only by treachery. big deal.

I like ABbott. He will be quite a PM. He wil make plenty of mistakes but he wil make a lot of successes as well. We know what he stands for as he actually has opinions and beliefs not formed by focus-groups. Good or bad, he will be the first GENUINE PM since Howard and no manufactured by convenience and focus groups.

If Abbott ever tried to say in the USA that under him, the Government is going to take control of your finances and run your lives he would be laughed out and run out of the country for the Radical ideological extremist and Red Communist he is.

The Australian Parliament is a Temple of idols and devils full of radical communist control freaks and psychopaths - be alert, be vigilant.  If you thought we had a battle against the Gillard Government, it has just started, we need to oust Abbott in the same manner as Howard and the Gillard Government in one - two terms tops and it needs to be another cleansing of the parliament - an annihilation of the Party.

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No I  deem him(if anything)a poor imitation of an American Republican.
Rightly or wrongly that's how the modern Liberal party comes across.

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What does he stand for?
Every position he now aspires to he was against a couple of years ago or are actually not good economic policy at the moment or at all in the case of non means testing.
I include the surplus in that, running a small deficit and spending into the economy is what is required, keeping just about every other aspect of the economy bar mining from going under.
Passive stimulus if you will, there but not a big part just enough to keep reasonable confidence.

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Look I could put upwith PM Abbott if I had confidence in the people he surrounds himself with.
But going from what I've seen I have no confidence in any of them.
Name your names with Labor and I'll agree with most if not all, BUT when I see Combet/Shorten and lets face those 2 are the future of Labor. I see 2 guys who know their stuff, and have an intimate understanding of how the ecomony works from both sides.
They arent Union old boys in even the 70's mode, they are a product of Keatings Accord times where raises HAD to be linked with productivity.

And lets face it, the economy is all that matters, as long as people can work, have a home, feed themselves and enjoy a reasonable quality of life through effort then the rest is just white noise to the majority.

No one Tony hangs with instills the faintest ray of confidence.

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And yet there is a whole thread dedicated to the last one as Tony was in front.
And if I bothered to read it I'm sure I'll see posts from you using it as an affirmative.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:


No I  deem him(if anything)a poor imitation of an American Republican.
Rightly or wrongly that's how the modern Liberal party comes across.

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What does he stand for?
Every position he now aspires to he was against a couple of years ago or are actually not good economic policy at the moment or at all in the case of non means testing.
I include the surplus in that, running a small deficit and spending into the economy is what is required, keeping just about every other aspect of the economy bar mining from going under.
Passive stimulus if you will, there but not a big part just enough to keep reasonable confidence.

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Look I could put upwith PM Abbott if I had confidence in the people he surrounds himself with.
But going from what I've seen I have no confidence in any of them.
Name your names with Labor and I'll agree with most if not all, BUT when I see Combet/Shorten and lets face those 2 are the future of Labor. I see 2 guys who know their stuff, and have an intimate understanding of how the ecomony works from both sides.
They arent Union old boys in even the 70's mode, they are a product of Keatings Accord times where raises HAD to be linked with productivity.

And lets face it, the economy is all that matters, as long as people can work, have a home, feed themselves and enjoy a reasonable quality of life through effort then the rest is just white noise to the majority.

No one Tony hangs with instills the faintest ray of confidence.

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And yet there is a whole thread dedicated to the last one as Tony was in front.
And if I bothered to read it I'm sure I'll see posts from you using it as an affirmative.[/quote]

if you bothered to read it you woudl see that i was baiting the pathetic labor supporters who clung to Gillard's lead in the PPM stakes as tho it was more important than any other figure and then abandoned and rubbished it as soon as Abbott was in the lead. they are pathetic and skippy is their leader.