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Reply #45 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

Like most doctors and like most wealthy Aussies..a top of the range BMW

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Reply #46 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Looking at the legislation its quite interesting - I would have got the full amount back.

They are using gross income post taxable adjustment allowances.

My last year in Australia my taxable income was under $37,000 as I had been able to knock out well over $150k.

If it was gross pre adjustments I'd not pass.

An interesting route they have taken.

Its always on taxable income. You cant exclude someone if they have allowable deductions, unless the deductions are for things like rental properties.

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Reply #47 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

I have private healthcare in the US.

You know what though Verge - I pay $10,000 less in tax than Aussies on the same wage do.

Australia - Land of the Rip off and the targetting of middle incomes.

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Reply #48 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:11pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

Like most doctors and like most wealthy Aussies..a top of the range BMW

And that BMW costs you 3 times more in Australia than it does in San Diego.

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103221	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #49 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:11pm Why bother with private health insurance at all? You always end up in public hospitals, and you always have to pay on top for everything. The doctors I've spoken to recommend you just stick with Medicare.
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Reply #50 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

I have private healthcare in the US.

You know what though Verge - I pay $10,000 less in tax than Aussies on the same wage do.

Australia - Land of the Rip off and the targetting of middle incomes.

We have far less national debt because we pay higher taxes..I see no problem with it as long as its spent wisely.

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Reply #51 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

I have private healthcare in the US.

You know what though Verge - I pay $10,000 less in tax than Aussies on the same wage do.

Australia - Land of the Rip off and the targetting of middle incomes.

And yet look at how much better our economy is than that of the US. Look at our housing market, our financial services markets, our employment markets.

Oh nevermind, go the US.

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Reply #52 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:16pm

Well, all I can say is congratulations to Labor for getting yet another sensible policy through. Despite the interminable dummy spits and obstructionism from the coalition, the government continues to do its job even in the most difficult of parliaments.

Also to say well done to a couple of the otherwise righties (esp. chook and maqqa) for their bipartisanship in this case. Never thought I'd be complimenting maqqa...

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103221	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #53 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:16pm The only people who pay less in the US are those on high incomes who can afford it: Bush/Rumsfeld economics. Middle income earners pay about the same as Australians.
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Reply #54 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

I have private healthcare in the US.

You know what though Verge - I pay $10,000 less in tax than Aussies on the same wage do.

Australia - Land of the Rip off and the targetting of middle incomes.

And yet look at how much better our economy is than that of the US. Look at our housing market, our financial services markets, our employment markets.

Oh nevermind, go the US.

Unless you want to live in south central LA or downtown Detroit, work in financial services or recruiting what's your point?

Where I live in a gated community in La Jolla, CA the houses have appreciated, I am paid more here than in AUS and we have private healthcare and private schooling because we have much greater net wealth from lower taxes.

Add the fact that our cost of living is 60% of that in Australia and my personal situation has never been better.

We look after ourselves in this world verge, if you go around worrying about everyone else you'd have a bad life.

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Reply #55 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

I have private healthcare in the US.

You know what though Verge - I pay $10,000 less in tax than Aussies on the same wage do.

Australia - Land of the Rip off and the targetting of middle incomes.

And yet look at how much better our economy is than that of the US. Look at our housing market, our financial services markets, our employment markets.

Oh nevermind, go the US.

Unless you want to live in south central LA or downtown Detroit, work in financial services or recruiting what's your point?

Where I live in a gated community in La Jolla, CA the houses have appreciated, I am paid more here than in AUS and we have private healthcare and private schooling because we have much greater net wealth from lower taxes.

Add the fact that our cost of living is 60% of that in Australia and my personal situation has never been better.

We look after ourselves in this world verge, if you go around worrying about everyone else you'd have a bad life.

The US is in massive debt because it does not collect enough taxes to support its economy....It might help get elected to keep taxes low but sometime the piper will want to be paid his money....There is no such thing as a free lunch Andre and the USA will suffer for short term policy over long term fiscal responsibility!!!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #56 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:24pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:22pm: It might help get elected to keep taxes low but sometime the piper will want to be paid his money!!! Then I would just leave Phil.
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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103221	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #57 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:24pm I bet you have lovely lawns inside that gated community, A.H - golf carts to drive around on, stairmasters in the gym. Keeps the blacks out too. What would you rather have - subsidised public housing or gated communities?
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Reply #58 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:27pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:24pm:

I bet you have lovely lawns inside that gated community, A.H - golf carts to drive around on, stairmasters in the gym.

Keeps the blacks out too.

What would you rather have - subsidised public housing or gated communities?

No need to bring race into it.
It's not 1961 Johannesburg.

It's just a regular community where house prices have appreciated and life is good.

Despite what some would have you believe.

To bring it back to the topic - we have no need for a private health rebate in the US BECAUSE we are able to fund our own healthcare due to lower taxation.

Why would I get my own healthcare but also have to fund some deadbeat who pays in nothing?
How is that fair on me?

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Reply #59 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

It might help get elected to keep taxes low but sometime the piper will want to be paid his money!!!

Then I would just leave Phil.

Grin

And no doubt you will return to Australia where the economy is stable and the lifestyle is comparable.....Fair enough for an opportunist to seek opportunity in other people's stupidity I guess....It still beggars belief that the United States thinks that China will not bring their economy to its knees if they fail to address the debt they are incurring!!!

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