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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #30 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well in his first opportunity to show what kind of backbone he had, Andrew Wilkie showed why both sides of politics think he has the spine of a jellyfish. Fresh from having his own legislation torpedoed and the raison d etre for support Gillard in the first place, broken, his first act is to support her in legislation he previously opposed.

The man is a wimp, with no apparent policy position. But then what do you expect from a man who finished in third place in his electorate on primaries yet has the audacity to make demands.

He is in the Rob Oakeshott mold of independent.

WORTHLESS

Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies....Abbott has nothing to offer the Australian people!!!

How about we leave such assessments to the next election where the voters will finally be able to cast THEIR judgment. do you expect ANY of those independents to survive? no one else does.

I fail to see what argument you are trying to make as usual.....The Independents are having an affect on policy NOW which is what I said.....You are trying to deflect to the next election which is irrelevant to the context of the how much influence the Independents are having on policies now......Abbott has to convince Australians the wealthy deserve more taxpayer funds to support their lifestyles...I think he will find his support will start to decline when he puts forward that argument!!!

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #31 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:48pm Sooner or later Abbott is going to have to make some tough decisions..he cant be a popularist forever. Turnbull will run against Rudd at the next election
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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #32 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:52pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well in his first opportunity to show what kind of backbone he had, Andrew Wilkie showed why both sides of politics think he has the spine of a jellyfish. Fresh from having his own legislation torpedoed and the raison d etre for support Gillard in the first place, broken, his first act is to support her in legislation he previously opposed.

The man is a wimp, with no apparent policy position. But then what do you expect from a man who finished in third place in his electorate on primaries yet has the audacity to make demands.

He is in the Rob Oakeshott mold of independent.

WORTHLESS

Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies....Abbott has nothing to offer the Australian people!!!

I wish they were more like Tony Abbott. Maybe we would not be in so much debt. I so look forward to having to pay labor incompetency back.

So do I.

But not by simply replacing it with Coalition incompetence.

And I fear that's what an Abbott govt would be.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #33 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:54pm adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:48pm: Sooner or later Abbott is going to have to make some tough decisions..he cant be a popularist forever. Turnbull will run against Rudd at the next election Amen to that. Hopefully with a Turnbull victory.
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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #34 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

Kat wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well in his first opportunity to show what kind of backbone he had, Andrew Wilkie showed why both sides of politics think he has the spine of a jellyfish. Fresh from having his own legislation torpedoed and the raison d etre for support Gillard in the first place, broken, his first act is to support her in legislation he previously opposed.

The man is a wimp, with no apparent policy position. But then what do you expect from a man who finished in third place in his electorate on primaries yet has the audacity to make demands.

He is in the Rob Oakeshott mold of independent.

WORTHLESS

Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies....Abbott has nothing to offer the Australian people!!!

I wish they were more like Tony Abbott. Maybe we would not be in so much debt. I so look forward to having to pay labor incompetency back.

So do I.

But not by simply replacing it with Coalition incompetence.

And that's what an Abbott govt would be.

And how would you know that Grin

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #35 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:56pm How do we know Abbott wont get us into more debt? After all the only Liberal Treasurer I know of thats ever had a surplus was Costello and hes long gone. Judging from Abbott and Hockeys wierd comments on economics I reckon they will be even worse than Julia and Wayne.
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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #36 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:59pm Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies.... And who is the arbiter of good policy? YOU?
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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #37 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:00pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

How do we know Abbott wont get us into more debt?
After all the only Liberal Treasurer I know of thats ever had a surplus was Costello and hes long gone.
Judging from Abbott and Hockeys wierd comments on economics I reckon they will be even worse than Julia and Wayne.

Thats not possible Grin

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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #38 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:00pm

FRED. wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well in his first opportunity to show what kind of backbone he had, Andrew Wilkie showed why both sides of politics think he has the spine of a jellyfish. Fresh from having his own legislation torpedoed and the raison d etre for support Gillard in the first place, broken, his first act is to support her in legislation he previously opposed.

The man is a wimp, with no apparent policy position. But then what do you expect from a man who finished in third place in his electorate on primaries yet has the audacity to make demands.

He is in the Rob Oakeshott mold of independent.

WORTHLESS

Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies....Abbott has nothing to offer the Australian people!!!

I wish they were more like Tony Abbott. Maybe we would not be in so much debt. I so look forward to having to pay labor incompetency back.

So do I.

But not by simply replacing it with Coalition incompetence.

And that's what an Abbott govt would be.

And how would you know that Grin

;D

Because I've seen and heard it ALL before.

Two words.......Fraser/Howard.

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #39 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:00pm adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:48pm: Sooner or later Abbott is going to have to make some tough decisions..he cant be a popularist forever. Turnbull will run against Rudd at the next election This is a very real possibility.
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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #40 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

Looking at the legislation its quite interesting - I would have got the full amount back.

They are using gross income post taxable adjustment allowances.

My last year in Australia my taxable income was under $37,000 as I had been able to knock out well over $150k.

If it was gross pre adjustments I'd not pass.

An interesting route they have taken.

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Reply #41 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Kat wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

FRED. wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well in his first opportunity to show what kind of backbone he had, Andrew Wilkie showed why both sides of politics think he has the spine of a jellyfish. Fresh from having his own legislation torpedoed and the raison d etre for support Gillard in the first place, broken, his first act is to support her in legislation he previously opposed.

The man is a wimp, with no apparent policy position. But then what do you expect from a man who finished in third place in his electorate on primaries yet has the audacity to make demands.

He is in the Rob Oakeshott mold of independent.

WORTHLESS

Yet they are having more of an affect on policy than Tony Abbott who is opposing everything even good policies....Abbott has nothing to offer the Australian people!!!

I wish they were more like Tony Abbott. Maybe we would not be in so much debt. I so look forward to having to pay labor incompetency back.

So do I.

But not by simply replacing it with Coalition incompetence.

And that's what an Abbott govt would be.

And how would you know that Grin

;D

Because I've seen and heard it ALL before.

Two words.......Fraser/Howard.

Whitlam/Cairns/Connor/

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Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED
Reply #43 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:08pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

As a doctor said on tv yesterday...I pay more to insure my car than it costs for my health insurance and the govt doesnt subsidise me to do that so why should they subsidise my health insurance.

It costs me $520 to insure my car, it was costing me $2,340 for health insurance, AFTER the rebate, and we are only a young couple, and didnt have our child on it.

No wonder we dropped it.

Dont know what kind of car the Doc drives, but I would like to take it for a spin.

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Reply #44 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Abbott has already said he will wind back the policy if he wins Government and restore the rebate to high income earners.....The hole is getting bigger for the Mad Monk......Pretty soon budget revenue will be solely for the purpose of supporting the wealthy if Abbott keeps going the way he is.....Australia cannot afford Tony Abbott!!!

"..budget revenue will be solely for the purpose of supporting the wealthy..."

solely means 100% of the Budget revenue

You've not looked at the Budget spending then

Lets say the Medicare and other Health items compared to the $2.5B rebate savings over 4 years

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