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Reply #195 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:10pm

Jeee-Zus!!

Four pages of the well-off bitching about losing the wealthfare
they should NEVER have been given in the first place......and
that's just while I was at work.....

And you THINK that the unemployed are bludgers with a welfare mentality?

They have NOTHING on you lot when it comes to bludging and rorting.

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Reply #196 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:15pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

i cant believe just how wrong you are in that assessment. almost every single statement is wrong. a cost-benefit analysis needs to include waiting 3 years for an operation that you 'need but wont kill you if you dont have it' which the private system wil give you in 3 days.

almost NO private insured patients choose the public system when they have an alternative.

Your usual drivel.

Firstly Doctors don't give you an alternative. They say "do you have health insurance", As soon as you say "yes", you don't get a choice.
You have to forcibly say "I wish to go public".

And the waiting lists arent long. A year or so back I had an elective surgery. Had to wrangle with the specialist for ages to get him to take me as public (one of the few that actually would), and was in hospital within 3 weeks.
Saved myself a motsa. the doctor was spewing. He could only charge Medicare a lousy $100/hour, instead of my health fund $600/hour.

That $600 is funded, indirectly, through the rebate, and what would be my gap. Why would we allow that ?

I don't get that you have private health insurance, but deliberately took a public health surgery slot from someone who could not afford to go 'private'.

Man that is mean.

The ONLY reason I have private health cover is so i don't have to go public, you for some unknown reason pay for health cover and then bludge off the public system anyway.

Rubish, the only people I was hurting was the greedy doctor. And I was helping myself by avoiding the gap, and the government from excessive rebate charges.

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BigOl64

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Reply #197 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:20pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

i cant believe just how wrong you are in that assessment. almost every single statement is wrong. a cost-benefit analysis needs to include waiting 3 years for an operation that you 'need but wont kill you if you dont have it' which the private system wil give you in 3 days.

almost NO private insured patients choose the public system when they have an alternative.

Your usual drivel.

Firstly Doctors don't give you an alternative. They say "do you have health insurance", As soon as you say "yes", you don't get a choice.
You have to forcibly say "I wish to go public".

And the waiting lists arent long. A year or so back I had an elective surgery. Had to wrangle with the specialist for ages to get him to take me as public (one of the few that actually would), and was in hospital within 3 weeks.
Saved myself a motsa. the doctor was spewing. He could only charge Medicare a lousy $100/hour, instead of my health fund $600/hour.

That $600 is funded, indirectly, through the rebate, and what would be my gap. Why would we allow that ?

I don't get that you have private health insurance, but deliberately took a public health surgery slot from someone who could not afford to go 'private'.

Man that is mean.

The ONLY reason I have private health cover is so i don't have to go public, you for some unknown reason pay for health cover and then bludge off the public system anyway.

Rubish, the only people I was hurting was the greedy doctor. And I was helping myself by avoiding the gap, and the government from excessive rebate charges.

No actually you took a bed from someone who could not afford private health; that's what the public health system is for.

You still haven't answered why you are paying for private health but are bludging off the public system; it seems you are wasting money not saving it.

BTW, I bet your doctor would be happy to know what you think of him; these posts say a lot about you as a person and none of it is good.

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103077	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #198 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:25pm So public hospitals are a form of charity? Have you heard of the Medicare levy?
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Reply #199 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:35pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

So public hospitals are a form of charity?

Have you heard of the Medicare levy?

What the hell are you on about.

Haven't I spoken to you about deliberately 'misrepresenting' my posts, it doesn't become less annoying with repetition.

If I meant to say that public hospitals were a form of charity then that's is what i would have written.

Present your own argument instead of trying (poorly) to misrepresent that of others or I will start treating you like nails, greens, booby and corpulent whitey instead of an adult.

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JustcallmeLD Ex Member	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #200 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:42pm Why is it in Australia many mixing up Cost of living with cost of luxury !
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Reply #201 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

I would like to thank LW for saying EXACTLY what I predicted he would and as a result, bolstering my ego.

I knew it was only a matter of time before the high-income earners gave up flinging s*it around like Monkeys on crack, and brought out the old copout chestnut "Socialism" boogeyman. That crap stopped being relevant when the Iron Curtain fell, so get with the times and come up with something original.

If you want to rort the system to suit yourselves and f*ck everybody else, there are nations that have built themselves for you, such as ther United States. Make like Andrei and go there if you don't like it.

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Dirty Paki Khunt

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Reply #202 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

So public hospitals are a form of charity?

Have you heard of the Medicare levy?

What the hell are you on about.

Haven't I spoken to you about deliberately 'misrepresenting' my posts, it doesn't become less annoying with repetition.

If I meant to say that public hospitals were a form of charity then that's is what i would have written.

Present your own argument instead of trying (poorly) to misrepresent that of others or I will start treating you like nails, greens, booby and corpulent whitey instead of an adult.

How would you like me to put it? If you pay the Medicare levy, you're as entitled to a public bed as anyone else.

Private hospitals are often not much more than sterilized hotels attached to public teaching hospitals. They usually use the same theatres, anaethetists and theatre nursing staff.

The private "system" is not a lot more than an add on to the public hospital system, and it was designed that way by people who saw a buck in it. The health lobbies are the biggest in the world, and political parties need their donations.

This is why we even have private health insurance following the creation of Medicare. The industry were worried the business model would collapse and furiously lobbied the government to offer rebates.

They called this "consumer choice."

They then marketed themselves with a few free acupuncture sessions thrown in as a bonus. They don't fully cover you unless you pay them more in premiums than what it would cost a healthy person to pay a doctor or dentist anyway, and if you aren't healthy, they don't give you full coverage either.

It's not an efficient form of public health, and it's not cheap. The profits go to shareholders rather than doctors and nurses. You can't syphon funds into non profit services like mental health. You end up with flashy patient rooms with plush carpet and nice pictures on the walls but effectively the same treatment as the public system.

It works in the US because they have an ailing public health system. There, there is no choice, and it's kept that way by healthy campaign donations.

In Australia, we have an entirely different model, and we should never cease to be grateful for it.

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Reply #203 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

The health system just cannot afford to pay people to have private health insurance (that makes billions of dollars profit
) while the public system is broken.....Trying to spew the line that thousands of people will suddenly swamp emergency wards or hospitals will suddenly not be able to cope is just scare mongering bullshit!!!

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Reply #204 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:35pm

Kat wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Jeee-Zus!!

Four pages of the well-off bitching about losing the wealthfare
they should NEVER have been given in the first place......and
that's just while I was at work.....

And you THINK that the unemployed are bludgers with a welfare mentality?

They have NOTHING on you lot when it comes to bludging and rorting.

The bludgers you will always have with you!!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103077	Re: Private Health Means Test - Its PASSED Reply #205 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:45pm There you go. Death agrees. And he has a vested interest in seeing the health system perish.
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Reply #206 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 7:57pm

Let's see - who bludges off whom: The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that the highest 20% of income earners pay nearly 50% of tax & receive just 9% of the benefits of those taxes. On the other hand, the lowest 20% of income earners pay only 5% of taxes & receive more than 40% of the benefits. I'd advise all Labor stooges to get their facts right before they attack all those filthy rich people....

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Reply #207 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 8:08pm

beware wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Let's see - who bludges off whom: The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that the highest 20% of income earners pay nearly 50% of tax & receive just 9% of the benefits of those taxes. On the other hand, the lowest 20% of income earners pay only 5% of taxes & receive more than 40% of the benefits. I'd advise all Labor stooges to get their facts right before they attack all those filthy rich people....

Congratulations, you understand the basics of the Australian sliding taxation system that we've had for many decades.
Anytime you wish to take advantage of these benefits you seem to desire just give away your wealth and apply.
Really what has happened to this place over the last 20 years.
No one spoke of entitlement, no one bragged about accepting welfare, that was kept as a dirty secret.
No one wanted it but were glad it was there if needed and refused often actually too early as a matter of pride.
Have we all suddenly become Greek?
How's their tax avoiding entitlement mentality working out?

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Reply #208 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 10:17pm

2008 I was paid over $235,000 for my role including bonuses etc for the 12 months in Australia.

My gross income according to the ATO - A$44,250.

Private health rebate, first home buyers grant, baby bonus all of it claimed in full.

I have been critical many times of Australia and its system so I will level it up by saying thank you on this occasion.

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Reply #209 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 11:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

2008 I was paid over $235,000 for my role including bonuses etc for the 12 months in Australia.

My gross income according to the ATO - A$44,250.

Private health rebate, first home buyers grant, baby bonus all of it claimed in full.

I have been critical many times of Australia and its system so I will level it up by saying thank you on this occasion.

If this is true which I doubt.....That is what you told the ATO your gross income was not what they said it was.....You have nothing to be proud of and have proven that every taxpayer hand out should be means tested!!!

When there is an income tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same amount of income.
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