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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #15 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:43pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Science behind the big freeze: is climate change bringing the Arctic to Europe?

The bitterly cold weather sweeping Britain and the rest of Europe has been linked by scientists with the ice-free seas of the Arctic, where global warming is exerting its greatest influence.

A dramatic loss of sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas above northern Russia could explain why a chill Arctic wind has engulfed much of Europe and killed 221 people over the past week.

The death toll from Arctic blast has been particularly severe in the Ukraine, where many of the dead have been people sleeping on the streets. Heating and food tents have been set up to ease their hardship. In Romania 24 people are known to have died and 17 in Poland.

A growing number of experts believe complex wind patterns are being changed because melting Arctic sea ice has exposed huge swaths of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above.

In particular, the loss of Arctic sea ice could be influencing the development of high-pressure weather systems over northern Russia, which bring very cold winds from the Arctic and Siberia to Western Europe and the British Isles, the scientists believe. An intense anticyclone over north-west Russia is behind the bitterly cold easterly winds that have swept across Europe and some climate scientists say the lack of Arctic sea ice brought about by global warming is responsible.

"The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming," said Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. "The ice-free areas of the ocean act like a heater as the water is warmer than the Arctic air above it. This favours the formation of a high-pressure system near the Barents Sea, which steers cold air into Europe."

Sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas has been exceptionally low this winter, according to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Boulder, Colorado. But air temperatures above the Barents and Kara Seas have been higher than average. The relatively mild westerly winds that have kept Britain from freezing much of this winter have been blocked by fierce high pressure over north-west Russia, centred on an area just south of the Barents Sea.

Studies by scientists at the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research have confirmed a link between the loss of Arctic sea ice and the development of high-pressure zones in the polar region, which influence wind patterns at lower latitudes further south. Scientists found that as the cap of sea ice is removed from the ocean, huge amounts of heat are released from the sea into the colder air above, causing the air to rise. Rising air destabilises the atmosphere and alters the difference in air pressure between the Arctic and more southerly regions, changing wind patterns.

Professor Rahmstorf said the Alfred Wegener study confirms earlier predictions from computer models by Vladimir Petoukhov of the Potsdam Institute, who forecast colder winters in western Europe as a result of melting sea ice.

Dr Petoukhov and his colleague Vladimir Semenov were among the first scientists to suggest a link between the loss of sea ice and colder winters in Europe. Their 2009 study simulated the effects of disappearing sea ice and found that for some years to come the loss will increase the chances of colder winters.

"Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far-away sea ice won't bother him could be wrong. There are complex interconnections in the climate system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful feedback mechanism," Dr Petoukhov said.

But UK climate researcher Adam Scaife said other complexities are almost certainly influencing the current cold spell. "There is a pretty clear link between the current event and the upper level winds... The winds up at 30km (18.6 miles) altitude are very weak," he said. "We have verified several times using computer model experiments that this leads to high pressure across northern Europe and cold winter conditions in the UK as we see now."

Link -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/science-behind-the-big-freeze-is-clima...
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Then, there is also the possibility that the great ocean conveyor current could be decreased OR stopped, as the ice melts, thus causing temperatures to plunge in some areas, including Western Europe!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arctic/

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2004/03/01/05mar_arctic_resources/cur...

How about you let the guy who forecast the cold blast to tell you where you are going wrong.

WeatherAction's headline long range warning for December was for Arctic blasts with heavy snow and
blizzards and specifically predicted the blizzards – to the day from 30 days ahead

http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews09No102.pdf

Piers Corbyn astrophysicist of WeatherAction long range
weather & climate forecasters said today: “The gritting
crisis and travel chaos in the present big freeze in Britain
& Ireland is largely a direct consequence of out-moded
forecasting procedures as used by the Met Office, and the
unreadiness of Councils for this Arctic blast because they
are misled by Global Warming propaganda from
government and media and the Met Office’s ridiculous
forecast for a ‘probably mild’ winter.
“That forecast, it appears, was designed to please the
Government’s ‘Global warming’ ideology when the forecasting method used has consistently failed. If the Government
had advised Councils to apply our solar-based forecasts they would have been ready and chaos and economic damage
reduced. WeatherAction's headline long range warning for December was for Arctic blasts with heavy snow and
blizzards and specifically predicted the blizzards – to the day from 30 days ahead – that hit Copenhagen & London
near the end of the Global Warming (!) Summit. (Full Dec forecast via: http://www.weatheraction.com/member.asp )
“Very importantly for the recent chaos of 20/21 Dec it should be noted that the Met
Office forecast was for light snow on 21st but it turned out to be very heavy. As
drivers commented; ‘There was no warning!’ The Met Office’s subsequent ‘severe
warnings’ were not really warnings but descriptions of what was going on. On the
other hand WeatherAction specified 19-21 Dec as a RED WEATHER WARNING
PERIOD from 30days ahead with a specific warning that there would be a big
increase in frontal activity compared with TV/Met Office forecasts whatever they
would state when produced. This was a true WARNING made 30 days ahead.
In line with our WeatherAction warning precipitation was much heavier than TV
/ Met Office forecasts. Any council who used our forecast would have applied this
knowledge and planned to bring in extra staff.
Piers added “Our Red Warnings are independent of forecast details which in this case had expected the milder weather now
on its way to have already arrived in more than just the far SouthWest. Red warnings enable users to know that rain will
become more rain and wind; and snow become more snow and wind.
“Until the government, political classes and their agents in the media and weather business admit the total failure of CO2-
Global Warming theory which has now become a religion, they will continue to fail the public. CO2 driven Global Warming
is failed science based on fraudulent data and believing in it is causing chaos, suffering, deaths, and economic damage. It’s
not just a joke, it is deadly dangerous and is holding back Britain’s recovery. It must be swept away.

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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #16 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Science behind the big freeze: is climate change bringing the Arctic to Europe?

The bitterly cold weather sweeping Britain and the rest of Europe has been linked by scientists with the ice-free seas of the Arctic, where global warming is exerting its greatest influence.

A dramatic loss of sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas above northern Russia could explain why a chill Arctic wind has engulfed much of Europe and killed 221 people over the past week.

The death toll from Arctic blast has been particularly severe in the Ukraine, where many of the dead have been people sleeping on the streets. Heating and food tents have been set up to ease their hardship. In Romania 24 people are known to have died and 17 in Poland.

A growing number of experts believe complex wind patterns are being changed because melting Arctic sea ice has exposed huge swaths of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above.

In particular, the loss of Arctic sea ice could be influencing the development of high-pressure weather systems over northern Russia, which bring very cold winds from the Arctic and Siberia to Western Europe and the British Isles, the scientists believe. An intense anticyclone over north-west Russia is behind the bitterly cold easterly winds that have swept across Europe and some climate scientists say the lack of Arctic sea ice brought about by global warming is responsible.

"The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming," said Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. "The ice-free areas of the ocean act like a heater as the water is warmer than the Arctic air above it. This favours the formation of a high-pressure system near the Barents Sea, which steers cold air into Europe."

Sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas has been exceptionally low this winter, according to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Boulder, Colorado. But air temperatures above the Barents and Kara Seas have been higher than average. The relatively mild westerly winds that have kept Britain from freezing much of this winter have been blocked by fierce high pressure over north-west Russia, centred on an area just south of the Barents Sea.

Studies by scientists at the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research have confirmed a link between the loss of Arctic sea ice and the development of high-pressure zones in the polar region, which influence wind patterns at lower latitudes further south. Scientists found that as the cap of sea ice is removed from the ocean, huge amounts of heat are released from the sea into the colder air above, causing the air to rise. Rising air destabilises the atmosphere and alters the difference in air pressure between the Arctic and more southerly regions, changing wind patterns.

Professor Rahmstorf said the Alfred Wegener study confirms earlier predictions from computer models by Vladimir Petoukhov of the Potsdam Institute, who forecast colder winters in western Europe as a result of melting sea ice.

Dr Petoukhov and his colleague Vladimir Semenov were among the first scientists to suggest a link between the loss of sea ice and colder winters in Europe. Their 2009 study simulated the effects of disappearing sea ice and found that for some years to come the loss will increase the chances of colder winters.

"Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far-away sea ice won't bother him could be wrong. There are complex interconnections in the climate system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful feedback mechanism," Dr Petoukhov said.

But UK climate researcher Adam Scaife said other complexities are almost certainly influencing the current cold spell. "There is a pretty clear link between the current event and the upper level winds... The winds up at 30km (18.6 miles) altitude are very weak," he said. "We have verified several times using computer model experiments that this leads to high pressure across northern Europe and cold winter conditions in the UK as we see now."

Link -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/science-behind-the-big-freeze-is-clima...
===============================
Then, there is also the possibility that the great ocean conveyor current could be decreased OR stopped, as the ice melts, thus causing temperatures to plunge in some areas, including Western Europe!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arctic/

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2004/03/01/05mar_arctic_resources/cur...

How about you let the guy who forecast the cold blast to tell you where you are going wrong.

WeatherAction's headline long range warning for December was for Arctic blasts with heavy snow and
blizzards and specifically predicted the blizzards – to the day from 30 days ahead

http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews09No102.pdf

Piers Corbyn astrophysicist of WeatherAction long range
weather & climate forecasters said today: “The gritting
crisis and travel chaos in the present big freeze in Britain
& Ireland is largely a direct consequence of out-moded
forecasting procedures as used by the Met Office, and the
unreadiness of Councils for this Arctic blast because they
are misled by Global Warming propaganda from
government and media and the Met Office’s ridiculous
forecast for a ‘probably mild’ winter.
“That forecast, it appears, was designed to please the
Government’s ‘Global warming’ ideology when the forecasting method used has consistently failed. If the Government
had advised Councils to apply our solar-based forecasts they would have been ready and chaos and economic damage
reduced. WeatherAction's headline long range warning for December was for Arctic blasts with heavy snow and
blizzards and specifically predicted the blizzards – to the day from 30 days ahead – that hit Copenhagen & London
near the end of the Global Warming (!) Summit. (Full Dec forecast via: http://www.weatheraction.com/member.asp )
“Very importantly for the recent chaos of 20/21 Dec it should be noted that the Met
Office forecast was for light snow on 21st but it turned out to be very heavy. As
drivers commented; ‘There was no warning!’ The Met Office’s subsequent ‘severe
warnings’ were not really warnings but descriptions of what was going on. On the
other hand WeatherAction specified 19-21 Dec as a RED WEATHER WARNING
PERIOD from 30days ahead with a specific warning that there would be a big
increase in frontal activity compared with TV/Met Office forecasts whatever they
would state when produced. This was a true WARNING made 30 days ahead.
In line with our WeatherAction warning precipitation was much heavier than TV
/ Met Office forecasts. Any council who used our forecast would have applied this
knowledge and planned to bring in extra staff.
Piers added “Our Red Warnings are independent of forecast details which in this case had expected the milder weather now
on its way to have already arrived in more than just the far SouthWest. Red warnings enable users to know that rain will
become more rain and wind; and snow become more snow and wind.
“Until the government, political classes and their agents in the media and weather business admit the total failure of CO2-
Global Warming theory which has now become a religion, they will continue to fail the public. CO2 driven Global Warming
is failed science based on fraudulent data and believing in it is causing chaos, suffering, deaths, and economic damage. It’s
not just a joke, it is deadly dangerous and is holding back Britain’s recovery. It must be swept away.

Progs,
Before starting down this line, are you sure you want to proceed, are you sure of these current facts?

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Reply #17 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:26pm

Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow" ? The plot, although far-fetched was based on some genuine research which suggested that changes in the climate (Global Warming resulting in ice melt) could shut down or slow the North Atlantic Drift or Gulf stream and result in the U.K. having a periglacial climate for a short period.

Of course, Holywood inflated the idea way out of any realistic situation.

Nobody made any prediction that the world would warm equally in all regions. Even in 1999, it was understood that some regions would actually cool.

Piers Corbyn calls himself an astrophyscist and a meteorologist. He is neither. He pretends that he can predict wether events and even earthquake through his Solar Lunar prediction system, which he keeps secret. He makes a lot of predictions and he generally keeps quiet about the majority, which he gets wrong. Eventually he has to get one right. (The Law of Averages)

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Following criticism of Weather Action's forecasts in The Times and The Guardian, in particular from journalist Paul Simons, Piers Corbyn banned the use of any extracts of them in any articles on his site unless they were approved by Corbyn. In addition the above newspapers and any publication which carried articles by Paul Simons were also explicitly forbidden from quoting them

England produces a fairly diverse number of eccentrics. Corbyn is one.

The only reference I could find for astrophysics was this one:

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Journal of the British Astronomical Association for his home-based measurements of the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; and in the Geographical Journal (of the Royal Geographical Society) for a study on the size of pebbles along Chesil Beach.

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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #18 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

muso wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow" ? The plot, although far-fetched was based on some genuine research which suggested that changes in the climate (Global Warming resulting in ice melt) could shut down or slow the North Atlantic Drift or Gulf stream and result in the U.K. having a periglacial climate for a short period.

Of course, Holywood inflated the idea way out of any realistic situation.

Nobody made any prediction that the world would warm equally in all regions. Even in 1999, it was understood that some regions would actually cool.

Piers Corbyn calls himself an astrophyscist and a meteorologist. He is neither. He pretends that he can predict wether events and even earthquake through his Solar Lunar prediction system, which he keeps secret. He makes a lot of predictions and he generally keeps quiet about the majority, which he gets wrong. Eventually he has to get one right. (The Law of Averages)

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Following criticism of Weather Action's forecasts in The Times and The Guardian, in particular from journalist Paul Simons, Piers Corbyn banned the use of any extracts of them in any articles on his site unless they were approved by Corbyn. In addition the above newspapers and any publication which carried articles by Paul Simons were also explicitly forbidden from quoting them

England produces a fairly diverse number of eccentrics. Corbyn is one.

The only reference I could find for astrophysics was this one:

Quote:

Journal of the British Astronomical Association for his home-based measurements of the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; and in the Geographical Journal (of the Royal Geographical Society) for a study on the size of pebbles along Chesil Beach.

That is a shame you are so short sighted. Maybe if you monitored him, you wouldn't be so quick to shut him out.

You should keep away from wikipedia, it is not doing you justice

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Reply #19 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 2:44pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

muso wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow" ? The plot, although far-fetched was based on some genuine research which suggested that changes in the climate (Global Warming resulting in ice melt) could shut down or slow the North Atlantic Drift or Gulf stream and result in the U.K. having a periglacial climate for a short period.

Of course, Holywood inflated the idea way out of any realistic situation.

Nobody made any prediction that the world would warm equally in all regions. Even in 1999, it was understood that some regions would actually cool.

Piers Corbyn calls himself an astrophyscist and a meteorologist. He is neither. He pretends that he can predict wether events and even earthquake through his Solar Lunar prediction system, which he keeps secret. He makes a lot of predictions and he generally keeps quiet about the majority, which he gets wrong. Eventually he has to get one right. (The Law of Averages)

Quote:

Following criticism of Weather Action's forecasts in The Times and The Guardian, in particular from journalist Paul Simons, Piers Corbyn banned the use of any extracts of them in any articles on his site unless they were approved by Corbyn. In addition the above newspapers and any publication which carried articles by Paul Simons were also explicitly forbidden from quoting them

England produces a fairly diverse number of eccentrics. Corbyn is one.

The only reference I could find for astrophysics was this one:

Quote:

Journal of the British Astronomical Association for his home-based measurements of the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; and in the Geographical Journal (of the Royal Geographical Society) for a study on the size of pebbles along Chesil Beach.

That is a shame you are so short sighted.Maybe if you monitored him, you wouldn't be so quick to shut him out.

You should keep away from wikipedia, it is not doing you justice

Astrophysicist
The branch of astronomy that deals with the physics of stellar phenomena

So, how long have you been monitoring him for, Progs?

Long enough to Goggle a possible rebuttal of what was raised earlier in this thread?

You certainly haven't been following him for years!

And, you may need new glasses or you wouldn't have inferred that his article referred to the current cold snap in Europe, which is what I had referred to!

Why? Because the article you referred to , by Corbyn in WeatherAction was published on December 23 2009 and it did not refer to the current cold snap in Europe!

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Reply #20 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

muso wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow" ? The plot, although far-fetched was based on some genuine research which suggested that changes in the climate (Global Warming resulting in ice melt) could shut down or slow the North Atlantic Drift or Gulf stream and result in the U.K. having a periglacial climate for a short period.

Of course, Hollywood inflated the idea way out of any realistic situation.

Nobody made any prediction that the world would warm equally in all regions. Even in 1999, it was understood that some regions would actually cool.

Piers Corbyn calls himself an astrophyscist and a meteorologist. He is neither. He pretends that he can predict wether events and even earthquake through his Solar Lunar prediction system, which he keeps secret. He makes a lot of predictions and he generally keeps quiet about the majority, which he gets wrong. Eventually he has to get one right. (The Law of Averages)

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Following criticism of Weather Action's forecasts in The Times and The Guardian, in particular from journalist Paul Simons, Piers Corbyn banned the use of any extracts of them in any articles on his site unless they were approved by Corbyn. In addition the above newspapers and any publication which carried articles by Paul Simons were also explicitly forbidden from quoting them

England produces a fairly diverse number of eccentrics. Corbyn is one.

The only reference I could find for astrophysics was this one:

Quote:

Journal of the British Astronomical Association for his home-based measurements of the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; and in the Geographical Journal (of the Royal Geographical Society) for a study on the size of pebbles along Chesil Beach.

No I didn't, for a start...But I did see 'On the Beach' (1959, with Gregory Peck)..Although I may have read the book of 'Day After Tomorrow' (although the book may not have been the same as the movie) post apocalyptic , after the nuclear/climate diaster movies and books were pretty popular in tthe scifi genre ( H.G Wells' The Time Machine, the Mad Max movies, and assorted other short stories, who's names I can't remember right now, even the original 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Walter Pidgeon, 1961 etc)....

It's a fairly common theme in scifi....I could list a dozen or more books/movies that use that idea....of course it doesn't mean that the 'modern' versions are any more accurate than the 1930s 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s versions....

Using scifi ideas doesn't make the idea any more valid than the 1959 movie 'On the Beach' with Gregory Peck....

Of course the idea is amusing...instead of 'global warming' we will get 'global cooling'.....What does THAT do to the IPCC's predictions????

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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #21 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 3:05pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

muso wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow" ? The plot, although far-fetched was based on some genuine research which suggested that changes in the climate (Global Warming resulting in ice melt) could shut down or slow the North Atlantic Drift or Gulf stream and result in the U.K. having a periglacial climate for a short period.

Of course, Hollywood inflated the idea way out of any realistic situation.

Nobody made any prediction that the world would warm equally in all regions. Even in 1999, it was understood that some regions would actually cool.

Piers Corbyn calls himself an astrophyscist and a meteorologist. He is neither. He pretends that he can predict wether events and even earthquake through his Solar Lunar prediction system, which he keeps secret. He makes a lot of predictions and he generally keeps quiet about the majority, which he gets wrong. Eventually he has to get one right. (The Law of Averages)

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Following criticism of Weather Action's forecasts in The Times and The Guardian, in particular from journalist Paul Simons, Piers Corbyn banned the use of any extracts of them in any articles on his site unless they were approved by Corbyn. In addition the above newspapers and any publication which carried articles by Paul Simons were also explicitly forbidden from quoting them

England produces a fairly diverse number of eccentrics. Corbyn is one.

The only reference I could find for astrophysics was this one:

Quote:

Journal of the British Astronomical Association for his home-based measurements of the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; and in the Geographical Journal (of the Royal Geographical Society) for a study on the size of pebbles along Chesil Beach.

No I didn't, for a start...But I did see 'On the Beach' (1959, with Gregory Peck)..Although I may have read the book of 'Day After Tomorrow' (although the book may not have been the same as the movie) post apocalyptic , after the nuclear/climate diaster movies and books were pretty popular in tthe scifi genre ( H.G Wells' The Time Machine, the Mad Max movies, and assorted other short stories, who's names I can't remember right now, even the original 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Walter Pidgeon, 1961 etc)....

It's a fairly common theme in scifi....I could list a dozen or more books/movies that use that idea....of course it doesn't mean that the 'modern' versions are any more accurate than the 1930s 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s versions....

Using scifi ideas doesn't make the idea any more valid than the 1959 movie 'On the Beach' with Gregory Peck....

Of course the idea is amusing...instead of 'global warming' we will get 'global cooling'.....What does THAT do to the IPCC's predictions????

My bad, here are some predictions from weather action that keep stating that the big chill is coming but has been delayed. Read that until I find what I should hasve posted in the first place. Bit busy at the moment, but this should suffice at this stage.

http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=394&c=5

This is the original video of what was delayed.

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Reply #22 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Of course the idea is amusing...instead of 'global warming' we will get 'global cooling'.....What does THAT do to the IPCC's predictions????

Not Global cooling, regional cooling. We'll still get global warming, but with some regions actually cooling initially. The Regional Reports (Chapter 11) from AR4 already accounted for that:
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Europe, particularly its north-western parts, owes its
relatively mild climate partly to the northward heat transport
by the Atlantic MOC (e.g., Stouffer et al., 2006). Most models
suggest increased greenhouse gas concentrations will lead to
a weakening of the MOC

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Reply #24 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 5:19pm

WeatherAction’s prediction (Right)
of Earth-facing coronal holes* to
appear on the sun at the start of
February and these to trigger both
major earthquakes (probably in Southern Hemisphere) and significant
weather front activity has been superbly confirmed. (*announced 27 Jan under new SLAT7)
The coronal holes appeared on cue across the centre of the solar disc on Feb 1st – as reported
by Spaceweather.com http://bit.ly/xeJiVV . A Major earthquake then hit Vanuatu, South
Pacific on Feb 2nd (M7.1 – the largest in the world for 3 weeks) and many aftershocks
followed. All quakes larger than M5 on Feb 2nd were in the Southern Hemisphere.
Significant weather events expected by WeatherAction – driven by the top level solar effects
in our ‘R5’ Red warning - also appeared on cue such as an icy easterly blast in Italy in our
Euromaps forecast and exacerbation of snow deluges in North New England USA.
Weather starts 93 million miles away not in a computer
Piers Corbyn, astrophysicist and originator of the Solar Lunar Action Technique which
forms his forecasting process said: “This is a tremendous advance. The timing of the
emergence and position of the Coronal Holes,
the major quake and extreme weather events
were all spot-on. It is clear that major quake
events and weather extreme events and events
such as Jet stream shifts are powered or
triggered by solar activity – such as the fast
solar wind emitted from Coronal holes.”

http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews12No6.pdf

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Reply #26 - Feb 9^th, 2012 at 6:01pm

muso wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Yes, he claims to be able to predict Earthquakes too Roll Eyes

nuff said.

You are talking through ur A mos. He does not predict them, he is trialing a way to warn of extra danger of an earthquake happening in a region.

If he can perfect the way he puts the information together, then it may become predictions of sorts, but I believe it will remain an indicator only for a while.

There is certainly merit in what he is trying to do even if his trial fails.

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Reply #27 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 7:39am

Serious meteorologists and seismologists who have been studying their field all their lives don't have much time for a "smoke and mirrors" guy who refuses to divulge his methods, censors any mention of failed predictions on his website, and charges for the forecasts.
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He doesn't predict them

No? Looks like you haven't really been monitoring him at all. Which part oif your anatomy did that remark come from?

http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=328&c=5
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APRIL WeatherAction EXTREME WEATHER & MAJOR #EARTHQUAKES Forecast is NOW AVAILABLE via ExtEvRestofWorld http://bit.ly/dNhlNo

EXTREME WEATHER AND EARTHQUAKE DANGER IMMINENT around 23rd-27th March warns Piers Corbyn - Updating with news

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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #28 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 8:10am

muso wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 7:39am:

Serious meteorologists and seismologists who have been studying their field all their lives don't have much time for a "smoke and mirrors" guy who refuses to divulge his methods, censors any mention of failed predictions on his website, and charges for the forecasts.
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He doesn't predict them

No? Looks like you haven't really been monitoring him at all. Which part oif your anatomy did that remark come from?

http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=328&c=5
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APRIL WeatherAction EXTREME WEATHER & MAJOR #EARTHQUAKES Forecast is NOW AVAILABLE via ExtEvRestofWorld http://bit.ly/dNhlNo

EXTREME WEATHER AND EARTHQUAKE DANGER IMMINENT around 23rd-27th March warns Piers Corbyn - Updating with news

He is not government funded, so why should he give the details out and I am not sure what you are getting at with the rest of your reply.

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Re: Arctic Tipping Points
Reply #29 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:01am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 8:10am:

He is not government funded, so why should he give the details out and I am not sure what you are getting at with the rest of your reply.

Well if he wants to get his credibility back, he needs to reveal the nature of his smoke and mirrors machine, because other UK meteorologists think he's a looney. He has a credibility gap. I mean, he wouldn't need to reveal the exact brand of tea leaves he uses, just the process.

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