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Reply #30 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:51pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

And 350 plus in 2001

( ... though I find it in VERY poor taste to be quoting such figures for political gain)

and then Howard came up with a policy that WORKED which the dimwit Rudd reversed and Gillard does nothing about.

Yep...they stopped coming here by boat and flew in instead Grin

actually they came by space shuttle and ring transport (stargate)

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #31 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

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Reply #32 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:39pm

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

so what? stick em on a plane and send them back. the sending nation has no right not to accept them.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Hey You Hard Righters ... Reply #33 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:19pm I see what you're saying, but unlike Thomson's unio-funded card, I am carrying a low rate if interest.
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Reply #34 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

Do we want idiots like that??? Paying $40K when they coulda flown in?

Er... well...

They could not have flown in. Boat people pay all that dosh to smugglers because they have absolutely NO CHANCE of coming in legally.

Do you want people who would not be let in legally?

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Reply #35 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:41pm

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

The push factor was a Liberal Party Policy : Afghan Civil War. You guys have blood on your hands.

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What about those from other countries where our soldiers are not present?

Such as Sri Lanka?

You Greens are bl'dy liars and a pity you don't stick to protecting the environment instead of taxing
your commo-washed brains with matters beyond your understanding.

How would Australia have fared during WW2 if not for the Americans?

as for the Greens they are a menace to the whole world!

I've no faith in the Labor Party but don't hate them nearly as much as I loathe the Greens, their wind turbines and the fraudulent carbon tax.

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Reply #36 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

so what? stick em on a plane and send them back. the sending nation has no right not to accept them.

Those who come by air have to produce documentation so we have a fair idea on who they are--

They do not leech on Welfare as do the parasites that come by boat.

That's where the GST is useful. These over-stayers support themselves and that means paying tax on what they buy.

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Reply #37 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:01pm

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Those of the hard right persuasion whom don't realise they are hard right ... this may help you get your little hard right wired brains around your hard right position.

Far-right, extreme right, hard right, radical right, and ultra-right are terms used to discuss the qualitative or quantitative position a group or person occupies within right-wing politics. Far-right politics may involve anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.[1] At the most extreme, far-right movements have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority.[2] Far right politics commonly includes authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

What ever ideological face the Corporate and Political class wants to put on to impose itself over the Sovereign Free Will of the people is corrupt, illegitimate and illegal whether that face is hard left or hard right, it's stained with the same rivers of blood. I am Lord of my own mind and you have to live with that. Cool

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Reply #38 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:31am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

The push factor was a Liberal Party Policy : Afghan Civil War. You guys have blood on your hands.

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What about those from other countries where our soldiers are not present?

Such as Sri Lanka?

You Greens are bl'dy liars and a pity you don't stick to protecting the environment instead of taxing
your commo-washed brains with matters beyond your understanding.

How would Australia have fared during WW2 if not for the Americans?

as for the Greens they are a menace to the whole world!

I've no faith in the Labor Party but don't hate them nearly as much as I loathe the Greens, their wind turbines and the fraudulent carbon tax.

These people who complain about a carbon tax on the largest polluters ... yet are silent on the sewage taxes home owners pay and renters pay indirectly.

If we compared the two, people would probably pay more in sewage costs. It's included in all manufactured costs ... all workers and the management have to poop and pee and we the consumers have to pay this passed cost.

Where is your demand to poop in the street, to piss into the wind, and not have to pay cash for this.

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Reply #39 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:41am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

so what? stick em on a plane and send them back. the sending nation has no right not to accept them.

Those who come by air have to produce documentation so we have a fair idea on who they are--

They do not leech on Welfare as do the parasites that come by boat.

That's where the GST is useful. These over-stayers support themselves and that means paying tax on what they buy.

So they buy false passports and forged visas in their own name. Are you sure. Where you one of them?

They then apply for refugee status in Australia and then are entitled to all the trimming.

So why do the hard right complain about refugees that come by boat and not by plain.

Because they are hard right and this complaining proves it.

Would you also support genocide ... Mr Tony Hard Right Abbott sinking the boats and drowning the people on board?

Turning the unsafe boats back is genocide.

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Reply #40 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:50am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:41am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Refugees pay $40,000 to come by plane

ASYLUM-seekers are arriving in Australia by air in numbers that dwarf boat arrivals, after paying people-smugglers up to $US40,000, for a package that includes airfares, false passports and forged Australian visas.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/refugees-pay-40000-to-come-by-plane/...

so what? stick em on a plane and send them back. the sending nation has no right not to accept them.

Those who come by air have to produce documentation so we have a fair idea on who they are--

They do not leech on Welfare as do the parasites that come by boat.

That's where the GST is useful. These over-stayers support themselves and that means paying tax on what they buy.

So they buy false passports and forged visas in their own name. Are you sure. Where you one of them?

They then apply for refugee status in Australia and then are entitled to all the trimming.

So why do the hard right complain about refugees that come by boat and not by plain.

Because they are hard right and this complaining proves it.

Would you also support genocide ... Mr Tony Hard Right Abbott sinking the boats and drowning the people on board?

Turning the unsafe boats back is genocide.

So why don't the boatpeople save themselves all that money and a dangerous sea journey and fly in?
Please tell us, genious, why they prefer the expence and the danger?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Hey You Hard Righters ... Reply #41 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:56am Don't bother, Greens. Soren is incapable of understanding the motivators that drive people to risk their lives. It's not his fault though -he lives a sheltered life and completely lacks any empathy toward those who experience real suffering.
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Reply #42 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:58am

____ wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:31am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

The push factor was a Liberal Party Policy : Afghan Civil War. You guys have blood on your hands.

---
What about those from other countries where our soldiers are not present?

Such as Sri Lanka?

You Greens are bl'dy liars and a pity you don't stick to protecting the environment instead of taxing
your commo-washed brains with matters beyond your understanding.

How would Australia have fared during WW2 if not for the Americans?

as for the Greens they are a menace to the whole world!

I've no faith in the Labor Party but don't hate them nearly as much as I loathe the Greens, their wind turbines and the fraudulent carbon tax.

These people who complain about a carbon tax on the largest polluters ... yet are silent on the sewage taxes home owners pay and renters pay indirectly.

If we compared the two, people would probably pay more in sewage costs. It's included in all manufactured costs ... all workers and the management have to poop and pee and we the consumers have to pay this passed cost.

Where is your demand to poop in the street, to piss into the wind, and not have to pay cash for this.

A meaningless false analogy between two unrelated issues. You have not made any point. Cool

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Reply #43 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:45pm

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Frances wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

And if you start turning them back, thereby forcing them to spend longer on the open seas in unseaworthy boats, you can probably add a zero to the end of that figure.

Depends when you turned the back....
If you turn them back 1/4 of the way into the trip...they only spend half as long at sea...

So now the Hard Right want a war with Indonesia.

Why would that cause a war???
Unless the Indonesian Government ARE the people smugglers.....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #44 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 5:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

____ wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Frances wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Over 200 asylum seekers drowned in 2011 alone, trying to make the crossing to Australia....

And if you start turning them back, thereby forcing them to spend longer on the open seas in unseaworthy boats, you can probably add a zero to the end of that figure.

Depends when you turned the back....
If you turn them back 1/4 of the way into the trip...they only spend half as long at sea...

So now the Hard Right want a war with Indonesia.

Why would that cause a war???
Unless the Indonesian Government ARE the people smugglers.....

Indonesians unhappy with Abbott plan

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/indonesians-unhappy-with-abbott-pl...

1/4 way is very close to Indonesian territory.

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