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Re: Why the ALP is the wrong choice...
Reply #15 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:12am
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:09am:
as a bad govt they will also make a lousy opposition as the left have blagged on forever. a lousy opposition is not good either...

say what you like about Tony.. he has kept this lot jumping and backflipping   like a fish on the end of a hook..

good on him I say.... whatever he will be as a PM we do not know it is all guess work..

he could be bloody good he could be bad..

b ut whatever!!!!! he will never be worse than what we have got right know.


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At least we know that he won't be borrowing haphazardly and activating unplanned schemes.

He hasn't as magic wand, either, and it will be a long process to rescue the country from its present sinking into quicksand.

I sincerely hope that he'll put on hold these "abroad studies"  that the mongrel Labor MPs have been enjoying.

Does he have any plans OS?  From where I sit there are just backflips after backflips.

As for study trips, I guess you don't mind how much the Libs cost us do you?  Even in opposition.


"The latest batch of reports on study trips tabled in Parliament shows opposition indigenous affairs spokesman Nigel Scullion spent almost $15,000 on a four-week taxpayer-funded trip to South Africa and Canada, partly to study indigenous employment opportunities.

The trip included several game drives at the Shamwari Game Reserve in South Africa.

The biggest spender was opposition justice and customs spokesman Michael Keenan, who went to Singapore, France, the UK and Ireland in July, and to the US in October. The two trips cost almost $35,000.

While Mr Keenan provides an extensive report on his first trip - which included a visit to London to meet the Target Seats Director of the Conservative Party to learn ''campaign techniques'' - he offers a one-sentence explanation on the purpose of his four-day trip to Washington.

''The conference brought together representatives of centre-right political parties from around the globe and I was pleased to represent the Liberal Party at the conference,'' his report says.

Former speaker of the House of Representatives and Liberal member for Wannon, David Hawker, notched up a $33,000 bill for a 3½-week trip to Canada, Ireland and UK. According to his study report, the trip included visits to the ''spectacular facilities'' for the Vancouver Winter Olympics, the Royal British Columbia Museum and the Canadian Museum of Civilisation, as well as three midweek personal days in Britain where he made ''private arrangements''.

In contrast, shadow special minister of state Michael Ronaldson spent just $6400 on a three-week trip to North America and Europe and wrote a wide-ranging essay on his findings."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/is-this-the-end-of-politicians-study-jaunts-20100703-zv2o.html#ixzz1lMKWEf6c
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Reply #16 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:16am
 

The Greens just don't 'do it' for me, but I agree they would be
a far better choice than either Labor OR Liberal.

Just as an aside, I've emailed several politicians on various
issues over the last few years. The ONLY one from whom I
got a coherent, PERSONAL reply that wasn't full of political
platitudes, was Bob Brown....
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Reply #17 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:27am
 
mozzaok wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:37am:
Yawn, another fruit loop, with zero ability to make any real critical analysis, and parrots the same idiocy we get from the loony right shock jocks.
Have fun.


because he disagrees with you...

so predictable.
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Reply #18 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:38am
 
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A lot of it will boil down to what he will do as an alternative government.  We do know a few very frightening things, but for the best part of it, we are still kept in the dark.   Sad 


Such as what???
What do we 'know', that has been announced by the actual party, and not by the unions, or disgruntled ex-party members??
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Reply #19 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:42am
 
Didn't Mr Abbott say he wanted to send the young unemployed people down the mines?, and the ones that wouldn't go would have no unemployment benefit?.   Sad
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Reply #20 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:44am
 
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Didn't Mr Abbott say he wanted to send the young unemployed people down the mines?, and the ones that wouldn't go would have no unemployment benefit?.   Sad


Just ONE of the reasons I'll never vote for him/them.
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Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:58am
 
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Didn't Mr Abbott say he wanted to send the young unemployed people down the mines?, and the ones that wouldn't go would have no unemployment benefit?.   Sad


I take it you mean this??
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/putting-unemployed-back...

"► Suspending the payment of unemployment benefits in places where there are unfilled, unskilled jobs."???

The mines are hardly 'unskilled' work....
"A further measure that the government should consider is to suspend unemployment benefits for people under 30 in areas where there are shortages of unskilled labour. This is perhaps the strongest signal that government could give that people must take opportunities to work seriously.

Why should any reasonably fit person be on unemployment benefits in Karratha, for instance, when employers can't find cleaners to work even at well-above-award wages? Why should an able-bodied person be on unemployment benefits in Orange or the Barossa Valley, for instance, when growers can't find people to pick their crops?"

Why indeed....
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Reply #22 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:38am
 

At my age, and with a few disabilities, I wouldn't
even CONSIDER a fruit-picking job.

No matter what the pay was.

I simply couldn't do it on a sustained basis.

I'm quite happy to do work of which I'm capable
(I paint houses at present) but would not tolerate
being pushed into a job I cannot satisfactorily do.

I have worked in the mining industry, as a sub-
contractor doing high-pressure waterblasting (a
really fun job. Filthy, cold, always wet, but the
pay was approx a dole-cheque a DAY). I had my
own crew, and was the 'boss' so I have even
been an employER in my time.

But I could NOT do it now....

Us older blokes who actually do WORK, as opposed
to shuffling pieces of paper around (yes, Andrei...)
are often carrying old injuries, and rely on a regular
supply of Nurofen to get them through the day. I
know I do.

Most of my friends who are around the same age
have similar problems. They either eat Nurofens
like candy to get them through the day, or have
simply given up and gotten 'easier' jobs, or have
retired.

While I can, to a certain extent, understand the
attitude towards the YOUNG unemployed, I
cannot understand why the mature-aged are so
vilified.

Before I get any 'get a job' comments, please
re-read para 4.
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Reply #23 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 10:22am
 
NO NO NO!!!!!

The ALP the the absolute correct choice to destroy the Australian way of life

If you think you deserve a fair go then vote Coalition - otherwise vote Labor you'll never get a fair go.

Everyone MUST vote ALP at the next 10 elections.
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Reply #24 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 10:29am
 
Did everyone get a fair go when the liberals were last in with workchoices ( No choices ).    Sad
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Did everyone get a fair go when the liberals were last in with workchoices ( No choices ).    Sad 



If you have instances where you believe it wasn't a fair go then you should report it

Fair Work Australia Ombudsman was a rehash of Workchoices Ombudsman. Same office - different name.
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Reply #26 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:22am
 
mozzaok wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:37am:
Yawn, another fruit loop, with zero ability to make any real critical analysis, and parrots the same idiocy we get from the loony right shock jocks.
Have fun.

Fruit loops like the one that started this thread and others that run in to back him up are scared sh itless Labor will dump Gillard and reinstate  the punter on the streets choice, RUDD.
Personally I'm not a Rudd fan, but I can see how a lot of people are attracted to him, he is more conservative than a lot of conservatives, and he has one major thing going for him, HE"S NOT PHONY TONY or Gillard. If Labor bring back Rudd,and the Libs stick with Abbott, Labor WILL win the next election. That's what the extremist rightards here are worried about, you can see it in their spiteful posts all this week, they can see "the precious" slipping away before their very eyes,and so can phony tony.
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Reply #27 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
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One should consider the other choice.  The Australian Greens.  The alternative to both labor and liberal.  The fair and sensible people.   Smiley


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Greens? The Watermelon Party?

Right-0 saddle up your horse and start eating seaweed and tree-leaves.
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Re: Why the ALP is the wrong choice...
Reply #28 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:54am
 
glee wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:12am:
olde.sault wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:09am:
as a bad govt they will also make a lousy opposition as the left have blagged on forever. a lousy opposition is not good either...

say what you like about Tony.. he has kept this lot jumping and backflipping   like a fish on the end of a hook..

good on him I say.... whatever he will be as a PM we do not know it is all guess work..

he could be bloody good he could be bad..

b ut whatever!!!!! he will never be worse than what we have got right know.


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At least we know that he won't be borrowing haphazardly and activating unplanned schemes.

He hasn't as magic wand, either, and it will be a long process to rescue the country from its present sinking into quicksand.

I sincerely hope that he'll put on hold these "abroad studies"  that the mongrel Labor MPs have been enjoying.

Does he have any plans OS?  From where I sit there are just backflips after backflips.

As for study trips, I guess you don't mind how much the Libs cost us do you?  Even in opposition.


"The latest batch of reports on study trips tabled in Parliament shows opposition indigenous affairs spokesman Nigel Scullion spent almost $15,000 on a four-week taxpayer-funded trip to South Africa and Canada, partly to study indigenous employment opportunities.

The trip included several game drives at the Shamwari Game Reserve in South Africa.

The biggest spender was opposition justice and customs spokesman Michael Keenan, who went to Singapore, France, the UK and Ireland in July, and to the US in October. The two trips cost almost $35,000.

While Mr Keenan provides an extensive report on his first trip - which included a visit to London to meet the Target Seats Director of the Conservative Party to learn ''campaign techniques'' - he offers a one-sentence explanation on the purpose of his four-day trip to Washington.

''The conference brought together representatives of centre-right political parties from around the globe and I was pleased to represent the Liberal Party at the conference,'' his report says.

Former speaker of the House of Representatives and Liberal member for Wannon, David Hawker, notched up a $33,000 bill for a 3½-week trip to Canada, Ireland and UK. According to his study report, the trip included visits to the ''spectacular facilities'' for the Vancouver Winter Olympics, the Royal British Columbia Museum and the Canadian Museum of Civilisation, as well as three midweek personal days in Britain where he made ''private arrangements''.

In contrast, shadow special minister of state Michael Ronaldson spent just $6400 on a three-week trip to North America and Europe and wrote a wide-ranging essay on his findings."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/is-this-the-end-of-politicians-study-jaunts-20100703-zv2o.html#ixzz1lMKWEf6c


I'm sure you have been doing your research. . .honestly .

Even our shock jocks won't abide by such spending
irrespective of what side is tripping.

Hopefully, Abbott will rein in such behaviour for all - the country won't afford this luxury for a very long time.
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Reply #29 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:59am
 
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Didn't Mr Abbott say he wanted to send the young unemployed people down the mines?, and the ones that wouldn't go would have no unemployment benefit?.   Sad



Good!!!

If they don't want to work, give 'em food stamps as they are doing in US.

At least, they won't be able to live in a squat and squander their dole on alcohol and drugs.

Any young person of quality will take on any job rather than be considered a dole bludger.

I'm sure that many pensioners would give a few dollars to a young person to weed the garden, wash windows or vacuum carpets.

Some young louts are digustingly lazy.
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