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Baronvonrort

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Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 3:58pm

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A defiant declaration of atheism by an Indonesian civil servant has inflamed passions in the world's most populous muslim nation.

The trouble began when civil servant Alexander An posted a message on a facebook page saying "God doesn't exist"

The post so enraged residents of Aan's hometown of Pulau Punjung in West Sumatra province that an angey mob of dozens stormed his office and beat up the 30 year old.

To add insult to injury,Police arrested him and want to press blasphemy charges that could see him locked up for 5 years.

Muslim extremists have called for Aan to be beheaded but fellow atheists have rallied around and urged him to stand by his convictions.

Source- http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/calls-to-behead-indonesian-atheist-alexander...

The Quran tells you it is not from Allah in sura 4:82 so why do these people have a problem?
Read all english translations tick boxes on left side of page.
http://quran.com/4/82

I wonder what the good sheik says about atheists?
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The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs.
Clicky-http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

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Do you think it is a bit harsh to behead someone for a thought crime?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49958 At my desk.	Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist Reply #1 - Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:06pm Of course it is wrong. You are meant to stone them to death, not chop their heads off. Muhammed would be turning in his grave.
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Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Reply #2 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:02pm

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Of course it is wrong. You are meant to stone them to death, not chop their heads off. Muhammed would be turning in his grave.

I recall some scholars saying beheading was the preferred method of executing apostates maybe Falah or Abu could clarify this.

If you only had a swiss army knife it might be difficult to behead someone with the scissors or the nail file so maybe stoning is an option.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49958 At my desk.	Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist Reply #3 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 9:59pm Stoning is a long drawn out process. Maybe they reserve that for Muslims who err in their way and get atheists out of the way a bit quicker.
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Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Reply #4 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 9:11am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 3:58pm:

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Jakarta
A defiant declaration of atheism by an Indonesian civil servant has inflamed passions in the world's most populous muslim nation.

The trouble began when civil servant Alexander An posted a message on a facebook page saying "God doesn't exist"

The post so enraged residents of Aan's hometown of Pulau Punjung in West Sumatra province that an angey mob of dozens stormed his office and beat up the 30 year old.

To add insult to injury,Police arrested him and want to press blasphemy charges that could see him locked up for 5 years.

Muslim extremists have called for Aan to be beheaded but fellow atheists have rallied around and urged him to stand by his convictions.

Source- http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/calls-to-behead-indonesian-atheist-alexander...

The Quran tells you it is not from Allah in sura 4:82 so why do these people have a problem?
Read all english translations tick boxes on left side of page.
http://quran.com/4/82

I wonder what the good sheik says about atheists?
Quote:

The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs.
Clicky-http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Abu-Falah-Lestat

Do you think it is a bit harsh to behead someone for a thought crime?

Is the Christianity and Judaism "too harsh" for teaching that the death penalty should apply to people who disrespect their parents?

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Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Reply #5 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 9:41am

falah wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 3:58pm:

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Jakarta
A defiant declaration of atheism by an Indonesian civil servant has inflamed passions in the world's most populous muslim nation.

The trouble began when civil servant Alexander An posted a message on a facebook page saying "God doesn't exist"

The post so enraged residents of Aan's hometown of Pulau Punjung in West Sumatra province that an angey mob of dozens stormed his office and beat up the 30 year old.

To add insult to injury,Police arrested him and want to press blasphemy charges that could see him locked up for 5 years.

Muslim extremists have called for Aan to be beheaded but fellow atheists have rallied around and urged him to stand by his convictions.

Source- http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/calls-to-behead-indonesian-atheist-alexander...

The Quran tells you it is not from Allah in sura 4:82 so why do these people have a problem?
Read all english translations tick boxes on left side of page.
http://quran.com/4/82

I wonder what the good sheik says about atheists?
Quote:

The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs.
Clicky-http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Abu-Falah-Lestat

Do you think it is a bit harsh to behead someone for a thought crime?

Is the Christianity and Judaism "too harsh" for teaching that the death penalty should apply to people who disrespect their parents?

Do you mean something like this terrible snippet.

The little black book of the Jews and Christians may say you are allowed to kill your children but they don't do it whereas your mob seems to follow your little black book to the letter.

Mum kills 16-year-old daughter over fake affair
By Nadim KawachPublished Tuesday, February 14, 2012
A Palestinian mother waited for her 16-year-old daughter to go to bed, tied a rope around her neck and strangled her to death. The woman murdered her own daughter after neighbours lied to her that the girl had an affair with their son.

The crime, which moved local residents, had remained underground for a while before it was revealed by police and a Palestinian female activist, who described it as “one of the most heinous criminal acts” in Palestine.

Just before the girl was buried, her aging grandmother (father’s mother), swayed slowly towards the coffin with tears rolling on her wrinkled skin, pulled out the girl’s hair and tied a white tape around it.

“This is more than a symbol of her chastity and purity…it is a proof,” the grandmother said to the mourners.

“Oh, my grandchild….go to your Lord because you will find rest and tranquility there…He is the one who can take revenge for you.”

The crime took place in Bait Oula, a tiny village in the West Bank town of Hebron and it was publicized several weeks after it was perpetrated by the mother.

Residents, who spoke to the Palestinian Arabic language daily Donia Al Watan, said the mother had already been cruel to her daughter as she used to force her to do all household work because she does not like female offspring.

It was this cruelty that made her rush and murder the girl without bothering to check if what neighbours said about her daughter was true.

“Just go and see your daughter’s pictures on my son’s mobile phone,” the neighbouring woman told the mother after an argument, according to the paper.

“The mother then started her plan to kill her daughter…residents said she had made her daughter clean the house for two days so the family will be prepared to receive would-be mourners on their daughter’s death.”

After the murder, the family left the girl in her bed all the night. In the morning, they went straight to hospital and said their daughter had died of heart attack.

“But doctors noticed the swelling in her neck and that her body was bluish….they informed the authorities, who later wrested a confession about the murder…the mother said she killed her to wash off shame and clean the family’s honour….a day later, hospital tests showed the girl was still virgin and pure….it was a hasty crime of honour, which has never been marred or even touched.”

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/mum-kills-16-year-old-daughter-over-fake-affair-2012-02-14-1.443071

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist Reply #6 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 2:32pm Yeah can you tell us how you came to know the religion of the people involved? The article doesn't seem to mention relgion at all.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49958 At my desk.	Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist Reply #7 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 10:55pm Falah I would be genuinely interested in hearing your views on whether you think the Islamic punishments are harsh. Have you ever seen someone being stoned to death?
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Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Reply #8 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:30am

falah wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 3:58pm:

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Jakarta
A defiant declaration of atheism by an Indonesian civil servant has inflamed passions in the world's most populous muslim nation.

The trouble began when civil servant Alexander An posted a message on a facebook page saying "God doesn't exist"

The post so enraged residents of Aan's hometown of Pulau Punjung in West Sumatra province that an angey mob of dozens stormed his office and beat up the 30 year old.

To add insult to injury,Police arrested him and want to press blasphemy charges that could see him locked up for 5 years.

Muslim extremists have called for Aan to be beheaded but fellow atheists have rallied around and urged him to stand by his convictions.

Source- http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/calls-to-behead-indonesian-atheist-alexander...

The Quran tells you it is not from Allah in sura 4:82 so why do these people have a problem?
Read all english translations tick boxes on left side of page.
http://quran.com/4/82

I wonder what the good sheik says about atheists?
Quote:

The atheist who does good deeds is worse than the one who kills his mother and takes care of dogs.
Clicky-http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10300/atheist

Abu-Falah-Lestat

Do you think it is a bit harsh to behead someone for a thought crime?

Is the Christianity and Judaism "too harsh" for teaching that the death penalty should apply to people who disrespect their parents?

What does christianity and judiasm have to do with an Indonesian atheist beaten and locked up by a muslim mob who are calling for him to be beheaded?

The christians stopped killing heretics a long time ago ,when is Islam going to stop calling for the death of those with No Religion?

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Re: Calls to Behead Indonesian atheist
Reply #9 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 12:17pm

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 10:55pm:

Falah I would be genuinely interested in hearing your views on whether you think the Islamic punishments are harsh.

They are harsh, and they are a good deterrent. They also help maintain social order. Victims of crime can be satisfied and not feel the need for vigilateism - unlike in Australia:

Ex-MP and sex offender Terry Martin attacked outside court

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/ex-mp-and-sex-offender-terry-martin-attacked-outside-court/story-e6frea8c-1226273362125

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 10:55pm:

Have you ever seen someone being stoned to death?

They are extremely rare. The only stoning I have ever seen was Yazidi girl who was stoned to death by her Yazidi community for converting to Islam.

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A 17-year-old girl has been stoned to death in Iraq...

As a horrifying video of the stoning went out on the Internet, the British arm of Amnesty International condemned the death of Du?a Khalil Aswad as "an abhorrent murder" and demanded that her killers be brought to justice.

Reports from Iraq said a local security force witnessed the incident, but did nothing to try to stop it...

Miss Aswad, a member of a minority Kurdish religious group called Yezidi, was condemned to death as an "honour killing" by other men in her family and hardline religious leaders because of her relationship with the Sunni Muslim boy.

The teenager was dragged outside by 8 or 9 men and stoned for half an hour until she died. Her boyfriend is now in hiding in fear for his life

They said she had shamed herself and her family when she failed to return home one night. Some reports suggested she had converted to Islam to be closer to her boyfriend.

Miss Aswad had taken shelter in the house of a Yezidi tribal leader in Bashika, a predominantly Kurdish town near the northern capital, Mosul.

A large crowd watched as eight or nine men stormed the house and dragged Miss Aswad into the street. There they hurled stones at her for half an hour until she was dead.

The stoning happened last month, but only came to light yesterday with the release of the Internet video.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-452288/The-moment-teenage-girl-stoned-death-loving-wrong-boy.html

Yazid girl stoned by Yazidis for converting to Islam

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