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Reply #30 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:37pm
 
Dooley wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:16pm:
so to recap

you totally ignore any scientific evidence that supports the reasoned argument to maintain the ban of B1/2 poisons because you and a cadre of self-proclaimed "truthseekers" believe you all know better tha the accumalated knowledge of ""scientist know-it-alls who simply want whats best for humankind

Your willing to throw caution to the wind wen it cmes to the use and promulgation of poisonious chemicals and drugs in food for humankind - for what reason we haven't clearly established yet. More than likely it is prolly because you have vested financial interests somewhere in this debate.

You'd prefer to ignore direct questions regarding the greater debate on the widespread allowance of releasing neo-corporate non-human profit generating entities to use and proliferate poisons in the general community.

I guess that sort of sums up the argument for me.

One question you might like tto answer though, if DDT is so bloody good - how is it the only places left in the world that have a problem with "disease vector control" are the countries still using DDT?  I mean all the evidence supports the argument that the apart from being a B class poison that remains in hte fat tissue of mammals and has shown to be carcinogenic amongst other nasty stuff it doesn't even effectively do the job that it's supposed to. There is copious amounts of research that clearly shows that "disease vector control" with DDT is an uphill battle. It's the equivilant of stading at the edge of the problem and throwing money at it with unabounded joy with your eyes shut shouting the mantra "I believe and so therefore it is".

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.....................


Oh dear...
There is NO evidence that DDT is dangerous to humans...other than anecdotal (because someone 'says so') evidence....
And that seems to be your whole argument....

Your entire argument seems to be based on the invented danger of DDT...
Sad really....
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Re: Banned chemical 'Ractopamine' legal in Australia
Reply #31 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:48pm
 
I can appreciate how hard it is for you to acknowledge the truth. Rather than trying your trick of evoking pity I'll hope that one day you'll learn to open your eyes and think of others before yourself.

But I am still interested in knowing your thoughts on why you maintain the use of DDT in the developing countries is of any use when clearly there is no evidence to suggest that it is doing anything other than filling some neocorp slump guts pockets.... Any idea why they still use that useless poison DDT Gizmo? I'm plum outta any logical rational reason why.   ?????
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Re: Banned chemical 'Ractopamine' legal in Australia
Reply #32 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 6:02am
 
Dooley wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:48pm:
I can appreciate how hard it is for you to acknowledge the truth. Rather than trying your trick of evoking pity I'll hope that one day you'll learn to open your eyes and think of others before yourself.

But I am still interested in knowing your thoughts on why you maintain the use of DDT in the developing countries is of any use when clearly there is no evidence to suggest that it is doing anything other than filling some neocorp slump guts pockets.... Any idea why they still use that useless poison DDT Gizmo? I'm plum outta any logical rational reason why.   ?????


Because it is the cheaper, and most effective insecticide available...

If it was all about filling 'neocorps' pockets, they'd have forced the use of a more expensive, less effective insecticide....so the countries would have to use a greater volume of a more costly chemical...

What you keep missing is that the 1B and 2B categories are used for 'possible' carinogens, not actual ones....
I'll give you an example......Citrus Red 2 is a class 2B carinogen, but is used in the US to enhance the colour of oranges...
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Re: Banned chemical 'Ractopamine' legal in Australia
Reply #33 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 9:09pm
 
I assumed you'd use the correct language for qualitatively describing the poison, follows is a direct C+P from U.s. EPA

Group B - Probable human carcinogen. This group includes agents for which the weight of evidence of human carcinogenicity based on epidemiologic studies is "limited" and also includes agents for which the weight of evidence of carcinogenicity based on animal studies is "sufficient." The group is divided into two subgroups.

      Group B1 is reserved for agents for which there is limited evidence of carcinogenicity from epidemiologic studies.
      Group B2 is used for Agents for which there is "sufficient: evidence from animal studies and for which there is "inadequate       evidence" or "no data" from epidemiologic studies.


However the International Agency for Research on Cancer is controverisially accused of "susceptible to industry influence and suffers from a lack of transparency" quote WIKI.

If you think using a source that is a supporting stink tank of the organisation you propose (in this particular instance WHO) has some authority on this issue is gonna fly, then I think you'd better reassess how you present your information.

What you've done in this particular little foray is say something like "free economy policies are good for the world" and then support that by saying "the liberal party tells me so" and then further to that you declare "it must be so because The Wall St Journal and The Economist tells me so"

The fact is "vector disease control" use is being phased out - as you would well know - and it is not surprising as it is a poisonous substance that harms human health. It's use is as a last resort measure. Sort of like Hitler in WWII when he burnt and destroyed everything his troops had left as they retreated.

And nothing you can write can change those facts. No matter how hard you close your eyes and wish otherwise.

Oh and just for arguments sake - it may be cheap to manufacture, as is the case for most of the deadly crap that is manufactured by all of the chemical companies. However it's cost to human health and the wider enviroment is well known, documented, studied, expounded upon, deliberated upon and has been determined as one of the most far reaching toxilogical poisons known to humans. Hence quite logically, it is banned in nearly every country in the world. Except India and NORTH KOREA - for crissakes.

What was it you were supporting we do again with this poison???

As for the poison 1-(2,5-Dimethoxy-phenylazo)-naphthalen-2-ol that you charmingly refer to as "citrus red" it has as part of it's makeup napthalen. Look it up and see how inert that is will ya? Anyway I'll leave you to your own devices - you never know if you repeat this to yourself often enough........
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