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590K in 6 months
Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:16am

Did he have to buy a new hard hat & high vis vest for everyday?

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THE Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, the Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, and former prime ministers Bob Hawke and Paul Keating are among those who have claimed parliamentary expenses but not verified them, according to a list published by the Department of Finance.

Click here for the full list

Serving and former parliamentarians are entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars in allowances a year for domestic and overseas travel, office fit-outs and family travel expenses. For example, Mr Abbott was paid about $590,000 in entitlements for the first half of 2011, according to the department's report, and Ms Roxon claimed about $190,500 for the same period.
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But for the first time the department has published a ''name and shame'' list of the politicians who failed to examine the bill they ran up and check it off against their own accounts.

Every parliamentarian is provided with a six-monthly account, called a ''management report'', of what he or she has spent and asked to certify that the expenses were paid for proper reasons.

But politicians including Adam Bandt of the Greens, the Deputy Opposition Leader, Julie Bishop, and the Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen, have not yet tallied their accounts for the public record, according to the department's list.

Signing off on the accounts is not compulsory but in a 2009 Senate estimates hearing, Labor senator John Faulkner advocated for the ''naming and shaming'' list as an important transparency measure.

''I certainly would not want to be a parliamentarian so named and that of itself, I think, would be a significant sanction,'' he told the hearing. ''What people want to see is the management reports certified and provided to the department.''

A 2009-10 Auditor-General's report pointed out weaknesses in the self-certification system, including that compliance by parliamentarians was voluntary.

Queensland Labor senator Claire Moore has spoken on this issue in Senate estimates and, together with Senator Faulkner, has advocated for greater accountability.

She said each parliamentary office was like a small business with allocations for expenses, for which the member or senator was accountable, as a small business person would be.

''Sometimes there are mistakes and it's part of your personal accountability as a parliamentarian to check the accounts,'' she said. ''There is public scrutiny and you have a special relationship with the community because you are spending taxpayers' money.''

A spokesman for Mr Abbott said his office had raised queries with the Department of Finance over his management report and, as such, had not certified it yet.

''Our office rigorously checks all expenditure to ensure that it is within entitlement," the spokesman said.

Ms Roxon told the Herald: ''I have very efficient staff - clearly this has been an unusual oversight in a time of portfolio change in our office.''

A spokesman for Ms Bishop said: ''To the best of her knowledge she has certified and she will contact the Finance Department to see what the problem is.''

A spokesman for Mr Bowen said the minister had personally certified his expenditure every month for that period and senator Eric Abetz's office said the senator would ''ensure it is resolved as soon as possible".

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Reply #2 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:23am

Here I will highlight the ones you forgot.

the Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, and former prime ministers Bob Hawke and Paul Keating are among those who have claimed parliamentary expenses but not verified them, according to a list published by the Department of Finance

But politicians including Adam Bandt of the Greens, the Deputy Opposition Leader, Julie Bishop, and the Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen, have not yet tallied their accounts for the public record, according to the department's list.

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Reply #3 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:30am

Full List

http://finance.gov.au/publications/parliamentarians-reporting/parliamentarians_c...

The Hon Tony Abbott MP

Senator the Hon Eric Abetz

The Hon Dick Adams MP
Certified
Senator Judith Adams
Certified
The Hon Anthony Albanese MP
Certified
Mr John Alexander OAM MP

The Hon Kevin Andrews MP
Certified
Mrs Karen Andrews MP

Senator the Hon Mark Arbib
Certified
Senator Chris Back
Certified
The Hon Fran Bailey*

The Hon Bob Baldwin MP
Certified
Mr Adam Bandt MP

Mr Guy Barnett
Certified
Senator Cory Bernardi
Certified
The Hon Arch Bevis*
Certified
Mr James Bidgood*

The Hon Bruce Billson MP
Certified
Senator Catryna Bilyk

Ms Sharon Bird MP
Certified
Senator Simon Birmingham
Certified
The Hon Bronwyn Bishop MP

The Hon Julie Bishop MP

Senator Mark Bishop

Senator the Hon Ronald Boswell
Certified
The Hon Chris Bowen MP

Senator Sue Boyce
Certified
The Hon David Bradbury MP
Certified
Senator the Hon George Brandis SC
Certified
Mr Jamie Briggs MP
Certified
Mr Russell Broadbent MP
Certified
Ms Gai Brodtmann MP

Senator Bob Brown
Certified
Senator Carol Brown

Mr Scott Buchholz MP

Ms Anna Burke MP
Certified
The Hon Tony Burke MP
Certified
Senator David Bushby
Certified
The Hon Mark Butler MP
Certified
The Hon Anthony Byrne MP
Certified
Senator Doug Cameron
Certified
Ms Jodie Campbell*

Senator the Hon Kim Carr
Certified
Senator Michaelia Cash
Certified
Mr Nick Champion MP
Certified
Mr Darren Cheeseman MP
Certified
Mr Darren Chester MP
Certified
Mr George Christensen MP
Certified
Mr Steven Ciobo MP

The Hon Jason Clare MP
Certified
The Hon John Cobb MP

Senator the Hon Richard Colbeck
Certified
Senator the Hon Jacinta Collins
Certified
The Hon Julie Collins MP
Certified
The Hon Greg Combet AM MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy

The Hon Helen Coonan
Certified
Senator Mathias Cormann

Mr Mark Coulton MP

The Hon Simon Crean MP

Mr Tony Crook MP

Senator Trish Crossin

Mr Michael Danby MP
Certified
Mrs Yvette D'ath MP

The Hon Bob Debus*

Senator Richard Di Natale
Certified
The Hon Mark Dreyfus QC MP
Certified
The Hon Peter Dutton MP
Certified
Senator Sean Edwards
Certified
Senator Alan Eggleston
Certified
The Hon Justine Elliot MP

Ms Annette Ellis*
Certified
The Hon Kate Ellis MP
Certified
The Hon Dr Craig Emerson MP
Certified
The Hon Warren Entsch MP

Senator the Hon Christopher Evans

The Hon Pat Farmer*

Senator the Hon Don Farrell
Certified
Senator the Hon John Faulkner
Certified
Senator David Fawcett
Certified
Senator the Hon David Feeney
Certified
The Hon Alan Ferguson
Certified
The Hon Laurie Ferguson MP

The Hon Martin Ferguson AM MP
Certified
Mr Steve Fielding
Certified
Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells

Senator Mitch Fifield

Senator Mary Jo Fisher
Certified
The Hon Joel Fitzgibbon MP
Certified
Mr Paul Fletcher MP

Mr John Forrest MP

Mr Michael Forshaw
Certified
Mr Josh Frydenberg MP
Certified
Senator Mark Furner
Certified
Senator Alex Gallacher
Certified
The Hon Teresa Gambaro MP

The Hon Peter Garrett AM MP
Certified
Mrs Joanna Gash MP
Certified
Mr Steve Georganas MP
Certified
Ms Jennie George*
Certified
Mr Steve Gibbons MP
Certified
The Hon Julia Gillard MP
Certified
The Hon Gary Gray AO MP
Certified
Ms Sharon Grierson MP
Certified
The Hon Alan Griffin MP
Certified
Mrs Natasha Griggs MP

Mr Barry Haase MP
Certified
Mr Damian Hale*

Ms Jill Hall MP
Certified
Senator Sarah Hanson-Young

Mr Luke Hartsuyker MP
Certified
Mr Alex Hawke MP
Certified
The Hon David Hawker*

Mr Chris Hayes MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Bill Heffernan
Certified
The Hon Joe Hockey MP

Senator the Hon John Hogg
Certified
Mrs Kay Hull*
Certified
Senator Gary Humphries

The Hon Greg Hunt MP
Certified
Ms Annette Hurley

Mr Ed Husic MP
Certified
Senator Steve Hutchins

Mr Steve Irons MP

Mrs Julia Irwin*

Ms Sharryn Jackson*

Mr Harry Jenkins MP
Certified
Dr Dennis Jensen MP

Mr Michael Johnson*

Senator the Hon David Johnston

Mr Ewen Jones MP

Mr Stephen Jones MP
Certified
Senator Barnaby Joyce

The Hon Bob Katter MP

Mr Michael Keenan MP
Certified
Mr Craig Kelly MP

The Hon Dr Mike Kelly AM MP
Certified
The Hon Duncan Kerr SC*
Certified
The Hon Catherine King MP

Senator Helen Kroger
Certified
Mr Andrew Laming MP

Dr Andrew Leigh MP
Certified
The Hon Sussan Ley MP

The Hon Peter Lindsay*

Ms Kirsten Livermore MP

Senator Scott Ludlam

Senator the Hon Joe Ludwig
Certified
Senator the Hon Kate Lundy

Mr Geoff Lyons MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Ian Macdonald
Certified
The Hon Ian Macfarlane MP
Certified
The Hon Jenny Macklin MP
Certified
Senator John Madigan

Ms Nola Marino MP
Certified
Mrs Louise Markus MP

The Hon Richard Marles MP

Senator Gavin Marshall
Certified
Senator the Hon Brett Mason

Mr Russell Matheson MP
Certified
Mrs Margaret May*
Certified
The Hon Robert McClelland MP
Certified
Mr Michael McCormack MP
Certified
Senator Anne McEwen

Mr Julian McGauran
Certified
Senator Bridget McKenzie
Certified
The Hon Maxine McKew*

Senator the Hon Jan McLucas
Certified
The Hon Bob McMullan*

Mr Daryl Melham MP
Certified
Senator Christine Milne
Certified
The Hon Nick Minchin
Certified
Mrs Sophie Mirabella MP
Certified
Mr Rob Mitchell MP
Certified
Senator Claire Moore
Certified
Mr Scott Morrison MP

The Hon Judi Moylan MP
Certified
The Hon John Murphy MP
Certified
Senator Fiona Nash
Certified
Ms Belinda Neal*

Mr Shayne Neumann MP
Certified
Mr Paul Neville MP
Certified
Mr Robert Oakeshott MP
Certified
Mr Kerry O'Brien

The Hon Brendan O'Connor MP
Certified
Mr Ken O'Dowd MP
Certified
Ms Kelly O'Dwyer MP

Ms Deb O'Neill MP
Certified
Ms Julie Owens MP
Certified
Ms Melissa Parke MP
Certified
Senator Stephen Parry
Certified
Senator Marise Payne

The Hon Chris Pearce*
Certified
Mr Graham Perrett MP
Certified
The Hon Tanya Plibersek MP
Certified
Senator Helen Polley
Certified
Senator Louise Pratt
Certified
Mrs Jane Prentice MP

The Hon Roger Price*

The Hon Christopher Pyne MP
Certified
Mr Brett Raguse*

Mr Rowan Ramsey MP
Certified
Mr Don Randall MP
Certified
Ms Kerry Rea*

Senator Lee Rhiannon
Certified
Mr Bernie Ripoll MP
Certified
Ms Amanda Rishworth MP
Certified
The Hon Andrew Robb AO MP

Mr Stuart Robert MP

Senator the Hon Michael Ronaldson
Certified
Ms Michelle Rowland MP
Certified
The Hon Nicola Roxon MP

Mr Wyatt Roy MP
Certified
The Hon Kevin Rudd MP
Certified
The Hon Philip Ruddock MP
Certified
Senator Scott Ryan
Certified
Ms Janelle Saffin MP
Certified
Mr Alby Schultz MP
Certified
The Hon Bruce Scott MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Nigel Scullion

Mr Patrick Secker MP

Senator the Hon Nick Sherry

The Hon Bill Shorten MP
Certified
The Hon Sid Sidebottom MP
Certified
Senator Rachel Siewert

Mr Luke Simpkins MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Lisa Singh
Certified
The Hon Peter Slipper MP
Certified
The Hon Stephen Smith MP
Certified
The Hon Tony Smith MP
Certified
Ms Laura Smyth MP

The Hon Warren Snowdon MP

The Hon Alexander Somlyay MP
Certified
Dr Andrew Southcott MP
Certified
Senator the Hon Ursula Stephens
Certified
Senator Glenn Sterle
Certified
The Hon Dr Sharman Stone MP
Certified
Mr Jon Sullivan*

The Hon Wayne Swan MP
Certified
Mr Mike Symon MP
Certified
The Hon Lindsay Tanner*

Mr Dan Tehan MP

Senator Matthew Thistlethwaite
Certified
Mr Craig Thomson MP
Certified
Mr Kelvin Thomson MP
Certified
Mr Chris Trevor*
Certified
The Hon Judith Troeth

Mr Russell Trood
Certified
The Hon Warren Truss MP
Certified
The Hon Wilson Tuckey*

Mr Alan Tudge MP
Certified
The Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP

Mr Jim Turnour*

Senator Anne Urquhart
Certified
The Hon Danna Vale*
Certified
Ms Maria Vamvakinou MP
Certified
Mr Bert Van Manen MP

Mr Ross Vasta MP
Certified
Dr Mal Washer MP
Certified
Senator Larissa Waters
Certified
Mr Andrew Wilkie MP

Senator John Williams

Mr Tony Windsor MP

Senator the Hon Penny Wong
Certified
Mr Jason Wood*

Ms Dana Wortley

Senator Penny Wright
Certified
Mr Ken Wyatt MP
Certified
Senator Nick Xenophon
Certified
Mr Tony Zappia MP

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Re: 590K in 6 months
Reply #4 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:35am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

Did he have to buy a new hard hat & high vis vest for everyday?

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THE Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, the Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, and former prime ministers Bob Hawke and Paul Keating are among those who have claimed parliamentary expenses but not verified them, according to a list published by the Department of Finance.

Click here for the full list

Serving and former parliamentarians are entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars in allowances a year for domestic and overseas travel, office fit-outs and family travel expenses. For example, Mr Abbott was paid about $590,000 in entitlements for the first half of 2011, according to the department's report, and Ms Roxon claimed about $190,500 for the same period.
Advertisement: Story continues below

But for the first time the department has published a ''name and shame'' list of the politicians who failed to examine the bill they ran up and check it off against their own accounts.

Every parliamentarian is provided with a six-monthly account, called a ''management report'', of what he or she has spent and asked to certify that the expenses were paid for proper reasons.

But politicians including Adam Bandt of the Greens, the Deputy Opposition Leader, Julie Bishop, and the Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen, have not yet tallied their accounts for the public record, according to the department's list.

Signing off on the accounts is not compulsory but in a 2009 Senate estimates hearing, Labor senator John Faulkner advocated for the ''naming and shaming'' list as an important transparency measure.

''I certainly would not want to be a parliamentarian so named and that of itself, I think, would be a significant sanction,'' he told the hearing. ''What people want to see is the management reports certified and provided to the department.''

A 2009-10 Auditor-General's report pointed out weaknesses in the self-certification system, including that compliance by parliamentarians was voluntary.

Queensland Labor senator Claire Moore has spoken on this issue in Senate estimates and, together with Senator Faulkner, has advocated for greater accountability.

She said each parliamentary office was like a small business with allocations for expenses, for which the member or senator was accountable, as a small business person would be.

''Sometimes there are mistakes and it's part of your personal accountability as a parliamentarian to check the accounts,'' she said. ''There is public scrutiny and you have a special relationship with the community because you are spending taxpayers' money.''

A spokesman for Mr Abbott said his office had raised queries with the Department of Finance over his management report and, as such, had not certified it yet.

''Our office rigorously checks all expenditure to ensure that it is within entitlement," the spokesman said.

Ms Roxon told the Herald: ''I have very efficient staff - clearly this has been an unusual oversight in a time of portfolio change in our office.''

A spokesman for Ms Bishop said: ''To the best of her knowledge she has certified and she will contact the Finance Department to see what the problem is.''

A spokesman for Mr Bowen said the minister had personally certified his expenditure every month for that period and senator Eric Abetz's office said the senator would ''ensure it is resolved as soon as possible".

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-naughty-list-mps-named-and-shamed-for-failure...

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Re: 590K in 6 months
Reply #6 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:48am

GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:19am:

$590,000 for doing what? Saying No to pretty much everything like a boy who had a terrible upbringing? What a joke.

You ain't just whistling 'Dixie', good buddy.

That's about 12 YEARS' worth of my annual wage.

But the parasites won't raise the Now-Starve 'allowance'.

How obscene.

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Reply #7 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:09am

Kat wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:19am:

$590,000 for doing what? Saying No to pretty much everything like a boy who had a terrible upbringing? What a joke.

You ain't just whistling 'Dixie', good buddy.

That's about 12 YEARS' worth of my annual wage.

But the parasites won't raise the Now-Starve 'allowance'.

How obscene.

the money doesnt go to them PERSONALLY. it goes to the running of their offices and travel. does your employer require you to pay for your own office and when you have to fly for work who pays?

seriously people, get a little perspective.

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########## Ex Member	Re: 590K in 6 months Reply #8 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:19am Mr Abbott showing Perfect Leadership material ! Already Spending taxpayers’ money without proper audit. I am guessing a lot of money went to his press secretery, for running shoes.
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Reply #9 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:23am

And btw; I note as I read an article- That Abbotts not only wasting our money, he wasting our time.

"the opposition wasted more than 18 hours of the parliament’s time with pointless stunts and attempted suspensions of the sanding orders.

These stunts meant that Abbott gave up the opportunity to ask nearly 340 questions of the government during question time, one of the key roles of an effective opposition in the Westminster system.

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Reply #10 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:28am

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And btw; I note as I read an article- That Abbotts not only wasting our money, he wasting our time.

"the opposition wasted more than 18 hours of the parliament’s time with pointless stunts and attempted suspensions of the sanding orders.

These stunts meant that Abbott gave up the opportunity to ask nearly 340 questions of the government during question time, one of the key roles of an effective opposition in the Westminster system.

LIKE ALL YOUR POSTS NUM NUTS Grin

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Reply #11 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:32am

blackadder wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

Don't see the red headed liar on the list.

That would be because she has abided by the rules & has been certified

The Hon Julia Gillard MP Certified
Check it out with Greens link to page.

Thanks for highlighting the others but fail to see why you did it, they weren't omitted from the article, they came from all parties including the Deputy Opp leader & if Roxon was the intended target she spent 400K less than Abbott over the same period.

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the money doesnt go to them PERSONALLY. it goes to the running of their offices and travel. does your employer require you to pay for your own office and when you have to fly for work who pays?

seriously people, get a little perspective.

Seriously Longy almost 100K p/month for 6 months, what was he doing???
Would you have posted the same response if it was Swan for example?

You guys are up in arms about Thompson spending Union money well I want to know exactly what Tony blew 590K over 6 months on.

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Reply #12 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:37am

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And btw; I note as I read an article- That Abbotts not only wasting our money, he wasting our time.

"the opposition wasted more than 18 hours of the parliament’s time with pointless stunts and attempted suspensions of the sanding orders.

These stunts meant that Abbott gave up the opportunity to ask nearly 340 questions of the government during question time, one of the key roles of an effective opposition in the Westminster system.

fair enough critique...however what about all the questions that never get answered????????

thats what pizzzzzzzzzzes me off more than anything.

TALKING OF STUNTS WHATS WITH THE POKERMACHINE REFORM??? DONT TELL US ANOTHER whopping big lie...PULLLLLEASE Angry

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Reply #13 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:39am

Adam Bandt, Simon Crean, Bob Debus, Sarah Hanson-Young, Julia Irwin, Bob McMullan, Belinda Neal, Roger Price, Nick Sherry, Andrew Wilkie, Tony Windsor, Maxine McKew, Chris Bowen, Nicola Roxon, Bob Hawke and Paul Keating.

All from your side of politics vegetable. Oh dear there are even two Greens in the list plus two 'independents' Windsor and Oakshot.

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Reply #14 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:40am

eriously Longy almost 100K p/month for 6 months, what was he doing???
Would you have posted the same response if it was Swan for example?

You guys are up in arms about Thompson spending Union money well I want to know exactly what Tony blew 590K over 6 months on.

SMITHY

TOTALLY AGREE ITS AN OUTRAGES FIGURE..

I want to know as well..if he traveled Concord he would have had trouble racking that up.

i know the Concord doest exist anymore...but if it did.

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