longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:26am:



Rather than sidetrack this thread on something that is only in discussion form, how about those that oppose this concept, state the reason for their opposition here

"We Are One" World Government

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326746829/0#0

Now back to topic.


Why do Australians accept the delegation of our Foreign, Trade and Defence policies to the USA by LibLab.


For example, the majority of Australians support Palestine to be a member of the UN.

LibLab don't because the USA doesn't

GM Crops in Australia and in our food when this risks our food security.

Pine Gap and a new invasion of American soldiers in our north to provoke China.

Uranium to India when this will help create a nuclear arms race in our region. Just because American want this to happen.




Why are LibLabs opposed to forwarding Australia's interests, while forwarding the Americans

New Australian poll shows support for Palestine growing


Three in five Aus­tralians be­lieve the United Na­tions should now recog­nise Pales­tine as one of its mem­ber States ac­cord­ing to a poll con­ducted by Roy Mor­gan Re­search Pty Ltd.

The re­sults are part of an in­de­pen­dent na­tional poll done by the re­spected Roy Mor­gan Re­search com­pany.

“This is an out­stand­ing re­sult as it re­flects the Aus­tralian peo­ple’s over­whelm­ing sup­port for the le­git­i­mate as­pi­ra­tions of the Pales­tini­ans to be freed from 40 plus years of bru­tal mil­i­tary oc­cu­pa­tion” said Ms Samah Sabawi, Pub­lic Ad­vo­cate, Aus­tralians for Pales­tine.

The poll also found that 63 per­cent of Aus­tralians do not sup­port Is­raeli set­tlers build­ing homes on oc­cu­pied Pales­tin­ian land.

“Set­tle­ment build­ing is with­out doubt the sin­gle biggest ob­sta­cle to peace. Is­rael con­tin­ues to build and ex­pand these set­tle­ments in di­rect vi­o­la­tion of In­ter­na­tional Law” said Ms Sabawi.

With a vote on Pales­tine due at the United Na­tions be­fore the end of No­vem­ber, the sup­port for an Aus­tralian ‘Yes’ vote was more than three times that of a ‘No’ vote.

The Mor­gan poll asked re­spon­dents: “In order for Pales­tine to be rec­og­nized as a full mem­ber state of the United Na­tions, ex­ist­ing mem­ber Na­tions must enter a vote of ‘yes’, ‘no’ or ab­stain from vot­ing. In your opin­ion, how should Aus­tralia vote?”

A ma­jor­ity – 51 per­cent – agreed Aus­tralia should vote “yes”, whilst only 15 per­cent said “no”. Twenty per­cent be­lieved that Aus­tralia should ab­stain from vot­ing.

“The strong sup­port for a ‘Yes’ vote demon­strates that Aus­tralian vot­ers sup­port the bid by Pales­tine. This should en­cour­age the Labor Gov­ern­ment, led by Prime Min­is­ter Gillard, to po­si­tion it­self in-line with pub­lic opin­ion and on the right side of his­tory” con­cluded Ms Sabawi.

As a col­lec­tive of broad-based ad­vo­cacy groups in Aus­tralia, we ask that the Gov­ern­ment heed the call of the pub­lic and con­demn the il­le­gal set­tle­ments being con­structed by Is­rael and sup­port the rights of the Pales­tini­ans.

For com­ment or fur­ther de­tail, please con­tact Moam­mar Mashni (AFP): 0419 999 773.

This sur­vey was com­mis­sioned by: Aus­tralians for Pales­tine (AFP, Mel­bourne), Aus­tralian Friends of Pales­tine As­so­ci­a­tion (AFOPA, Ade­laide), Aus­tralia Pales­tine Ad­vo­cacy Net­work (APAN, Can­berra), and Coali­tion for Jus­tice and Peace in Pales­tine (CJPP, Syd­ney).


http://antonyloewenstein.com/2011/11/09/new-australian-poll-shows-support-for-pa...




Australia's LibLab must be independent of the USA, and vote along lines of the majority of Australian's desire and the majority of humanity desire. A Yes Vote for Palestine to be the newest Member State of the UN

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:47am:


Palestine, a member of the UN, is not a vote for war. It is a vote for the opposite.

It is a step against things like the torture by the  Israel Military inflicted onto Palestinian Children.

____ wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:01am:


The following territories are excluded as the UN does not consider them as part of any member state: , the Palestinian territories (Palestine, represented by the Palestine Liberation Organization, is a UN observer),

You print so many lies

GIVE NOW A FINAL PUSH FOR PALESTINE

The Arab Spring of 2011 that saw the back of four Arab dictators has unfortunately overshadowed the ‘Mission Liberate Palestine’. But ‘the year of the protester’ had a bright side too. The tremors caused by the fall of the strongmen in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen have given Israelis sleepless nights for America’s stooges are no longer in charge in their neighbourhood.
According to Khalil Shikaki, an eminent pollster and interpreter of Palestinian public opinion, even before the Arab Spring, the Palestinian-Israeli negotiations were more or less dead. However, the Arab Spring is affecting the choices that Israelis and Palestinians are making. While a dazed Israel is toughening its position, Hamas is clearly moving away from its relationship with Iran and Syria and getting closer to Egypt and Jordan, which are leading them to conclude that they can now gain much greater access to the Arab world. With Bashar Assad’s brutal Baathist crackdown on Syrian protesters reaching incredible proportions, it was wise on Hamas’s part to move to Egypt.
The changes provide Hamas with the opportunity to try to break through the siege around Gaza. Hamas needs access to material goods and products to rebuild Gaza, gain access to financial support for the region and so on. The Rafah Crossing between Gaza and Egypt has opened and with the Brotherhood-Salafist bloc set to take reins in Cairo, Gazans can assure themselves of a secure future – a thorn in Israel’s side.

JORDAN’S FEARS
Meanwhile, King Abdallah of Jordan feels threatened by the changes in the region and by the rising demands of their own public, particularly conservatives. The regime feels the need to appease their hardliners and this is pushing the Jordanians to bring Hamas back into Jordan and normalise relations – bad news for Israel.
Parallel to this is change in the West Bank, where Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas feels that the international effort that he’s leading to gain recognition of a Palestinian state might benefit from much larger public participation along the lines of the Arab Spring, with massive Palestinian public participation in nonviolent efforts, demonstrations and so on against Israeli occupation and in support of the UN bid.
As long as the US is perceived as being one-sided and biased in favour of Israel, any pressure against the Palestinians would be futile. But if the U.S. is seen as serious in putting pressure on the Israelis, that’s going to change everything. Once the Palestinians begin to see U.S. pressure in terms of moving the process forward rather than in terms of serving Israeli interests, U.S. economic and financial support becomes a very effective tool and U.S. political support for the leadership and for the process will certainly become very important. At the moment the Palestinian public doesn’t see the U.S. position as being balanced by any means.
To some extent Arab countries believe that the problem the Palestinians face is Israeli occupation, and this occupation seemed to be consolidated day after day because of American and Western support. So, in the Arab narrative, this conflict is fuelled by American and European support for Israel and if the Arabs give a lot of money to the Palestinian Authority their contribution would only help to maintain the status quo, which Arabs reject. In that sense, they’re really not all that motivated to come up with the financial support.

TREMENDOUS EXPECTATIONS
There were tremendous expectations after Barack Obama’s Cairo speech three years ago and the U.S. seemed to be moving in a direction that the Arabs welcomed very much, but they reserved judgment until they could see the results on the ground. And what they saw was how the U.S. approached the Israeli-Palestinian question, how the U.S. was quick to abandon the demand for settlement freeze, how the U.S. was willing to basically allow [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu to dictate the terms for the process. Arabs in general felt disillusioned and betrayed by the Obama administration. The Palestinians in particular were the ones who felt this more than anybody else, but it is true all over the Arab world.
Israel’s belligerence has cost it dearly.
Turkey downgraded its relations with Israel, expelling the country’s ambassador and cutting military ties with its former ally over Israel’s refusal to apologise for an armed assault on a Gaza-borne aid flotilla that killed nine people.
The move, which takes Turkish-Israeli relations to a new low, came on the day a UN report into the Gaza flotilla incident was published. It found that Israelis had used “excessive and unreasonable” force to stop the flotilla approaching Gaza, but that it was justified in maintaining a naval blockade on the Palestinian enclave.
Turkey’s tough talk is a very positive sign.
“The time has come for Israel to pay for its stance that sees it above international laws and disregards human conscience,” Turkey’s foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu said. “The first and foremost result is that Israel is going to be devoid of Turkey’s friendship … as long as the Israeli government does not take the necessary steps, there will be no turning back.”
Davutoglu also said Turkey would take measures in the future to protect its shipping, without going into detail.
The UN investigation chaired by Geoffrey Palmer, a former New Zealand prime minister, focused on the events of May 31 last year on the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish-flagged vessel which was the largest ship in a flotilla aimed at breaking the Gaza blockade. It was boarded by Israeli commandoes who were resisted by some of those on board. Nine pro-Palestinian activists – eight Turkish citizens and a Turkish American – were killed in the raid.

ISRAEL: A SPOILED CHILD
All UN decisions and statements are always made in favour of Israel, no matter what they have done. Israel has become like a spoiled child, the spoiled child of the US.


more @

http://www.radianceweekly.com/289/8119/give-now-a-final-pushfor-palestine/2012-0...


The majority of Australians support Palestine's UN membership ... shame on the old parties for putting the USA foreign policy first above the desires of the majority of Australians.