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Reply #30 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:58pm
 
With any luck they'll be an El Nino running up to the next election.  Wink
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Reply #31 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm
 
MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?


1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.


Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....
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Reply #32 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:11pm
 
This is one of the best descriptions of the process I have read. It really is a good read and it is written for the layman.

http://www.bom.gov.au/social/2011/09/chalk-cheese-cats-and-dogs/

Just keep in mind that the southern oscillation index has risen quite dramatically since this article was written.
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Reply #33 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm:
MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?


1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.


Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....


I think this link explains it pretty well.

If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself.
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Reply #34 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:24pm
 
Gist wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm:
MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?


1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.


Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....


I think this link explains it pretty well.

If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself.


Well since the link simply defaults to Google.....I don't feel any reason to 'argue' against it...
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Reply #35 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
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Reply #36 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 6:31pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:24pm:
Gist wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm:
MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?


1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.


Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....


I think this link explains it pretty well.

If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself.


Well since the link simply defaults to Google.....I don't feel any reason to 'argue' against it...


You're too impatient. You need to wait a bit.
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Reply #37 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 6:40pm
 
beware wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:04pm:
NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-1923349...


Just to bring you up to speed, beware, here is what has happened since that paper was published.

Scientific reaction:
"Errors identified by climate scientists "...range from the trivial (using the wrong units for the radiative flux anomaly), to the serious (treating clouds as the cause of climate change, rather than resulting from day-to-day weather; comparing a 10 year observational period with a 100 year model period and not allowing for the spread in model outputs)."[30]
"Within three days of the publication of Spencer & Braswell 2011, two climate scientists (Kevin Trenberth & John Fasullo) repeated the analysis and showed that the IPCC models are in agreement with the observations, thus refuting Spencer & Braswell’s claims. An independent analysis by Andrew Dessler also confirms the Trenberth & Fasullo result."

Pattern of publication&publicity matches previous such attempts
Michael Ashley noted that this paper was following the same trajectory as previous papers touted as demolishing global warming, that haven't stood up over time:[30]
1. The article is published in a non-mainstream journal, following inadequate peer-review.
2. Press releases from the authors exaggerate/distort the contents of the article to inflate its significance and increase the attention given to it.
3. News of the article spreads like wild-fire around the blogosphere.
4. Some media outlets take the press release and exaggerate it further still, so that the information that finally reaches the public has almost no relation to the original article.
5. Within days, experts in the field show that the original article is fatally flawed; but by now the damage is done.
6. For years into the future, the article is quoted by deniers of human-induced climate change as evidence that the science is uncertain.

beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic.





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Reply #38 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 6:51pm
 
beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic.


Firstly I am a she and I am not propagating anything.

I simply cut and paste some articles from the net.

I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt.

If it was more than we would need to take dramatic action...... ban cars, move people, shut industries.

We would need to do that immediately.... and I don't see this happening.

I do believe we need to look after the environment but I also believe that we are the superior species and therefore will have the ability to solve most problems we come across.

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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #39 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 6:56pm
 
beware wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 6:51pm:
beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic.


Firstly I am a she and I am not propagating anything.

I simply cut and paste some articles from the net.

I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt.

If it was more than we would need to take dramatic action...... ban cars, move people, shut industries.

We would need to do that immediately.... and I don't see this happening.

I do believe we need to look after the environment but I also believe that we are the superior species and therefore will have the ability to solve most problems we come across.



Another thing is, why don't we ever see the ALP and Greens walking and/or riding carriages for transportation? In fact, didn't Stephen Smith just this week request a plane to fly JUST HIMSELF?? How hypocrticial can it get?

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Reply #40 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm
 
matty hi Smiley Summer is a season that occurs between December and February.

I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs Smiley

bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas Sad
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Reply #41 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm:
matty hi Smiley Summer is a season that occurs between December and February.

I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs Smiley

bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas Sad


Where is the hot weather?????
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Reply #42 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:18pm
 
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm:
matty hi Smiley Summer is a season that occurs between December and February.

I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs Smiley

bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas Sad


Where is the hot weather?????


31 in Melbourne today. Very nice day Smiley


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Reply #43 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:36pm
 
matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm:
matty hi Smiley Summer is a season that occurs between December and February.

I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs Smiley

bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas Sad


Where is the hot weather?????


I told you - the b######s in the Pilbara stole it! The Grinch probably put them up to it.
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Reply #44 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:57pm
 
What if it is all a hoax and we have created a better world for nothing
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