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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #15 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:52pm

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:05pm:

Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result".

Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is under way, the length and intensity of which remains unknown.

Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines.

Is this the type of model you are talking about?

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7408 Sydney Gender:	Re: Where is the global warming in NSW??? Reply #16 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER! Repear after me: Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate.
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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #17 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:52pm:

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:05pm:

Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result".

Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is under way, the length and intensity of which remains unknown.

Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines.

Is this the type of model you are talking about?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/LSvsMobergvsLoehleAll.png

And you don't see a problem with that???

The 'red' line is travelling up, but the blue and black lines arent.....

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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #18 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:58pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

Repear after me:

Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate.

Cheesy

Sorry froggie....but temperature IS a part of global climate...

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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #19 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:46pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

LOl matty....don't open this door....

Poor matty is one of those unfortunate people that need to have everything repeated before the message sinks in.

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Reply #20 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:01pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

Repear after me:

Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate.

Cheesy

Temperature has everything to do with climate. Why is it cold in NSW summer? And everywhere else apparently. Darwin, Broome and Cairns are the only hot places, and that is because they ALWAYS are.

When is it going to actually be summer in NSW?

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Where is the global warming in NSW??? Reply #21 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:01pm I totally agree with beware and gizmo.
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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #22 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:04pm

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-1923349...

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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #23 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:07pm

When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.

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Reply #24 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:09pm

Again for you idiots!!!

NASA

What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #25 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:52pm:

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:05pm:

Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result".

Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is underway, the length and intensity of which remains unknown.

Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines.

Is this the type of model you are talking about?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/LSvsMobergvsLoehleAll.png

And you don't see a problem with that???

The 'red' line is travelling up, but the blue and black lines arent.....

Exactly, these types of models are little more than data fitting exercise using an over simplistic model. As you can see these types of models do not survive the hindcasting test.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Where is the global warming in NSW??? Reply #26 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:22pm No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Where is the global warming in NSW??? Reply #27 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:30pm matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER! Turn your airconditioning off Matty, open the door and go outside. Just a thought..............
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Re: Where is the global warming in NSW???
Reply #28 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:51pm

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:

No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?

1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Where is the global warming in NSW??? Reply #29 - Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:56pm matty, maybe it all moved up to the Pilbara: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-22/pilbara-sizzles-through-record-heat/3744692?section=wa
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