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Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:05pm

It's all too easy for Abbott these days.
As our friends on the right of centre tell us, all he has to do is continue to run his totally negetive policy free campaign and she seems to do the work for him.
Barring a stellar year, which frankly is wishful thinking, from Labor and particually Gillard I'm starting to think he actually will still be leader of the opposition come 2013 and fall into the lodge.

This is not to say I believe she has got a fair go at the job, far from it, the political climate fueled by the media has been the most poisonous I can remember(being just 5 at the time of Whitlam).
Whether it's how she came into the job, or the false but successful story of a litany of failed policies, perhaps even the gender argument.
But whatever it is the fact remains at this point in time it's looking extremely likely that Prime Minister Abbott will be a reality.

So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes?
Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd?
Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines.
Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present.

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get Huh

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #1 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:10pm

No. It doesn't matter even if she does go, Labor have absolutely no hope in hell of winning an election for years to come. Australians don't like being lied to, and being constantly belittled and ignored by their national leaders. It has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of Australians do not want a carbon tax, yet EVERY SINGLE Labor member voted for it in the House of Representatives and the Senate, in effect treating Australians, and our long history and tradition of democracy with the utmost of contempt and ridicule. People will not forget this, so the Labor party could put in anyone, and they'll still be annihilated at the next election.

Bringing in the gender argument? I guess when all else fails...

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Reply #3 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!!

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Reply #4 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard. This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings. Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard. People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way. And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

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Reply #5 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:46pm

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get

well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had..

like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat...

it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus..

I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste..

in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq.

but press on..

personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest...

but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie..

and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow.

well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me.

I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all.

the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt...

so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at..

it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that..

here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm
perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten..

now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now..

and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right.

its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does..

I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this..

did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head..

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #6 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!!

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Why do you think that she lied about the carbon tax?

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #7 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm:

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard. This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings. Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard. People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way. And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #8 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:49pm

matty wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm:

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard. This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings. Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard. People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way. And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. Grin

Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why.

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #9 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!!

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perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse..

maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys.

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #10 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:46pm:

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get

well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had..

like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat...

it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus..

I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste..

in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq.

but press on..

personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest...

but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie..

and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow.

well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me.

I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all.

the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt...

so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at..

it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that..

here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm
perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten..

now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now..

and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right.

its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does..

I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this..

did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head..

Do you feel better now that's off your chest? Grin

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #11 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:49pm:

matty wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm:

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard. This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings. Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard. People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way. And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. Grin

Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why.

he would probably take over gillard acting and voice trainers... all from NIDA I believe..

as they say whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #12 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:56pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:46pm:

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get

well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had..

like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat...

it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus..

I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste..

in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq.

but press on..

personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest...

but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie..

and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow.

well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me.

I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all.

the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt...

so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at..

it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that..

here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm
perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten..

now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now..

and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right.

its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does..

I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this..

did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head..

Do you feel better now that's off your chest? Grin

I am sorry whats the sarcasm for???..I thought you wanted some feedback.. excuse me I am sure.

back to abbott bashing.

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #13 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:59pm

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:49pm:

matty wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm:

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard. This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings. Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard. People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way. And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. Grin

Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why.

he would probably take over gillard acting and voice trainers... all from NIDA I believe..

as they say whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Abbott doesn't act, does he?

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Re: Does Gillard have to go to be rid of Abbott?
Reply #14 - Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:06pm

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!!

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perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse..

maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys.

I put forward a reasoned argument that could provide Australia with an advantage that could set us up for the future....You just throw crap that has no substance.....Do not bother responding to me again you stupid woman!!!

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