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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #75 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 10:56pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 4:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 11:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 11:17am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 2:28pm:

The problem with Abbott supporters is none of them will debate the Coalitions direct action policy..........Only the very stupid would accept Abbott's policy has any chance of success!!!

Angry

The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes.
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Why would someone debate something you obviously don't think will work?

Never let your persistence and passion turn into stubbornness and ignorance.
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We could debate the issue so you could prove me wrong and show me up as a person of no substance.....I relish the opportunity....any takers???

will direct action work? dont know. will carbon tax work? definately not.

No....not as it is at the moment.....60% of the Coalition's reductions will come from storing carbon in soil......The Coalition have used unproven science to reach this % and cannot guarantee the technology will be accepted towards agreed targets.....So I can tell you that the Coalitions direct action policy cannot work as it stands.....Even if storing carbon in soil is accepted towards agreed targets the science is still unproven!!!

Roll Eyes

the worlds expert in soil carbon storage has said it will work. so the science is unproven in this regard but proven inregard of global warming even tho it isnt warming? a tad selective isnt it?

I have already supplied links to show how wrong you are about the earth cooling.....Would you care to refute my argument with evidence instead of opinion???

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121170717.htm

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2010-warmest-year.html

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/hottest-decade-on-record-off...

lhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html

What you are showing is that if AGW were true, the only correlation of temperature to CO2 levels, is that this is as warm as it is going to get, because the temperatures have not grown at all and have gone down slightly, all the while CO2 has continued to go up on the same trend line.

Co2 trend is /, temperature trend is ----.

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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #76 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:00am

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 10:56pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 4:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 11:29am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 11:17am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 2:28pm:

The problem with Abbott supporters is none of them will debate the Coalitions direct action policy..........Only the very stupid would accept Abbott's policy has any chance of success!!!

Angry

The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes.
Henry Kissinger (1923 - )

Why would someone debate something you obviously don't think will work?

Never let your persistence and passion turn into stubbornness and ignorance.
Anthony J. D'Angelo

We could debate the issue so you could prove me wrong and show me up as a person of no substance.....I relish the opportunity....any takers???

will direct action work? dont know. will carbon tax work? definately not.

No....not as it is at the moment.....60% of the Coalition's reductions will come from storing carbon in soil......The Coalition have used unproven science to reach this % and cannot guarantee the technology will be accepted towards agreed targets.....So I can tell you that the Coalitions direct action policy cannot work as it stands.....Even if storing carbon in soil is accepted towards agreed targets the science is still unproven!!!

Roll Eyes

the worlds expert in soil carbon storage has said it will work. so the science is unproven in this regard but proven inregard of global warming even tho it isnt warming? a tad selective isnt it?

I have already supplied links to show how wrong you are about the earth cooling.....Would you care to refute my argument with evidence instead of opinion???

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121170717.htm

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2010-warmest-year.html

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/hottest-decade-on-record-off...

lhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/science/earth/22warming.html

What you are showing is that if AGW were true, the only correlation of temperature to CO2 levels, is that this is as warm as it is going to get, because the temperatures have not grown at all and have gone down slightly, all the while CO2 has continued to go up on the same trend line.

Co2 trend is /, temperature trend is ----.

The links I posted shows that the last decade was the hotest on record......If you can support your claims that temperatures have dropped slightly then please post some evidence.....Or are you another Alan Jones that twists the facts to suit his rhetoric???

Wink

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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #77 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:16am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

The links I posted shows that the last decade was the hotest on record......If you can support your claims that temperatures have dropped slightly then please post some evidence.....Or are you another Alan Jones that twists the facts to suit his rhetoric???

Wink

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Even if temperature have not gone down, they have stayed steady, which means the correlation between CO2 and temperature is dead. Back to CO2 going up after temperatures have already gone up, meaning the correlation is CO2 follows temperatures.

The gragh below shows your BS CO2 is bad. There is no correlation between CO2 and temperatures going up.

Peer-reviewed - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jqs.1480/abstract
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0153923a79fe970b-pi

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/04/a-peer-reviewed-admission-that-global-surf...

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/07/global-sst-update-still-no-sign-of-resumed-w...

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/argo-era-nodc-ocean-heat-content-data...

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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #78 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:56am

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

The links I posted shows that the last decade was the hotest on record......If you can support your claims that temperatures have dropped slightly then please post some evidence.....Or are you another Alan Jones that twists the facts to suit his rhetoric???

Wink

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - )

Even if temperature have not gone down, they have stayed steady, which means the correlation between CO2 and temperature is dead. Back to CO2 going up after temperatures have already gone up, meaning the correlation is CO2 follows temperatures.

The gragh below shows your BS CO2 is bad. There is no correlation between CO2 and temperatures going up.

Peer-reviewed - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jqs.1480/abstract
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0153923a79fe970b-pi

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/04/a-peer-reviewed-admission-that-global-surf...

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/07/global-sst-update-still-no-sign-of-resumed-w...

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/argo-era-nodc-ocean-heat-content-data...

The articles you posted links to prove temperatures have risen or are completely irrelevant.....The one link that claims temperatures where higher in Roman times is taken in isolation.....Alan Jones uses the same bullshit to prove how ignorant he really is.....The Global trend is temperatures are rising around the world.....Jones takes the temperature from one area such as central NSW that has an unusual cold snap and uses this to try and discredit the science.....NASA have stated the last decade is the hottest on record.....Nothing you posted refuted that fact!!!

From the article you posted....

But in the conclusion:

The finding that the recent hiatus in warming is driven largely by natural factors does not contradict the hypothesis: “most of the observed increase in global average temperature since the mid 20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations

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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #79 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:02pm

NASA Research Finds 2010 Tied for Warmest Year on Record

WASHINGTON -- Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie. In the new analysis, the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009, which are statistically tied for third warmest year. The GISS records begin in 1880.

The analysis found 2010 approximately 1.13 F warmer than the average global surface temperature from 1951 to 1980. To measure climate change, scientists look at long-term trends. The temperature trend, including data from 2010, shows the climate has warmed by approximately 0.36 F per decade since the late 1970s.

"If the warming trend continues, as is expected, if greenhouse gases continue to increase, the 2010 record will not stand for long," said James Hansen, the director of GISS.

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Re: Andrew Bolt does what Gillard asks us - start with
Reply #80 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

NASA Research Finds 2010 Tied for Warmest Year on Record

WASHINGTON -- Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie. In the new analysis, the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009, which are statistically tied for third warmest year. The GISS records begin in 1880.

The analysis found 2010 approximately 1.13 F warmer than the average global surface temperature from 1951 to 1980. To measure climate change, scientists look at long-term trends. The temperature trend, including data from 2010, shows the climate has warmed by approximately 0.36 F per decade since the late 1970s.

"If the warming trend continues, as is expected, if greenhouse gases continue to increase, the 2010 record will not stand for long," said James Hansen, the director of GISS.

So where is the trend that temperatures are getting warmer. There are none. Where is the correlation between CO2 going up and temperatures staying steady. There is no correlation between going up and staying steady.

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Reply #81 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:18pm

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

NASA Research Finds 2010 Tied for Warmest Year on Record

WASHINGTON -- Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie. In the new analysis, the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009, which are statistically tied for third warmest year. The GISS records begin in 1880.

The analysis found 2010 approximately 1.13 F warmer than the average global surface temperature from 1951 to 1980. To measure climate change, scientists look at long-term trends. The temperature trend, including data from 2010, shows the climate has warmed by approximately 0.36 F per decade since the late 1970s.

"If the warming trend continues, as is expected, if greenhouse gases continue to increase, the 2010 record will not stand for long," said James Hansen, the director of GISS.

So where is the trend that temperatures are getting warmer. There are none. Where is the correlation between CO2 going up and temperatures staying steady. There is no correlation between going up and staying steady.

The average global temperature has warmed by more than 0.7°C over the past century, and the present warming rate is 0.2°C per decade. If continued, this trend will lead to a temperature rise of about 3°C by the end of this century (relative to pre-industrial temperatures). This would be the highest global temperature rise recorded in recent PALAEOCLIMATE history. The instrumental record showing a warming earth is supported by satellite measurements of TROPOSPHERIC warming and by observations in the CRYOSPHERE and BIOSPHERE.

Graphs are supplied by using the link supplied!!!

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/climatechange/theclimate/temperatures.htm

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