Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 10:52am:


Your a hard man smithy.

culldav wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:50am:



But Abbott will not achieve his reductions as he has capped the amount to be spent on direct action.....The Coalition has budgeted $15 dollars a tonne for its direct action policy.....Experts have calculated for Abbott's plan to be achievable he would need to spend $69 a tonne.....Abbott will be $54 a tonne short for every tonne of carbon we must reduce......Not to mention 60% of Abbott's reductions will not be counted as it currently stands because storing carbon in soil is not recognized towards targets.....Anyone who thinks Abbott's policy will achieve anything accept enable Australia to keep polluting is an idiot!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:59am:



LOL, you really think OZ and THE UK can save the planet! That;s as deluded as it get right there.


For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Carl Sagan

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Lets remember for a moment the imediate changing of climate is not the goal, nor has it ever been sold as that, that line is just a furphy from the climate change denial lobby. The goal of the price on carbon is to encourage polluters to use more enviromently friendly options so as to reduce the continued pollution and EVENTUALLY maybe start to halt it, this will take many years, you and I will no doubt be dead, but for the sake of the planets future and our childrens future surly it is worth it. Though, I know many  prefer to think of their own hip pocket than that of the planet or childrens future, we will never be able to change the minds of the stupid or the  selfish cretins.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:


You have to separate the outcomes.
Look if my goal was to reduce global temperatures only I'd be with you guys & that intellectual heavy weight Angry Anderson,
"Were doin nuffin until those Chinks in China do"

Fortunately my take on the whole thing is a more positive outlook.
Changing our supply of energy from finite resources with ever increasing costs as supply dwindles to renewable is good.
Changing from finite polluting resources to Clean renewable can only be good.
Stuff what China's doing, Stuff what America's doing if they want to breath dirty air & pay through the nose for ever reducing resources(not to mention most of the resource just makes their enemies in the M/E richer) well more fool them.

This is where Gillards; the Greens and many of their supports arguments for the carbon tax falls apart. Scientists on both sides of the debate have came to a common consensus and that is: no one knows what percentage of carbon dioxide that has been man made is contributing to global environment and what percentage of carbon dioxide is made by nature that contributing to the global environment. 

We cannot “stuff” what China, the USA, India or other countries who don’t have a carbon tax.  These countries are the biggest polluters on the planet, and if they are NOT ONBOARD in SERIOUSLY reducing pollution, then Australia reducing its little piss-ant amount of 0.00004% over the next 18 will mean absolutely nothing…BECAUSE: each country doesn’t live under its own separate domes with our own individual air supplies, we all breath the same air.

This is my point: Australia introducing a carbon tax on its people is NOT going to shame massive economies like China, emerging India, the USA, and Europe into imposing carbon taxes on its citizens just because one insignificant little pillow-biter like Bob Brown wants it so.

This carbon tax is not a Labor policy - the Labor policy was the emissions trading scheme. This carbon tax is a simplistic Greens Party policy, and that’s why Labor took four months to re-write the thing. Labor is simply being forced to introduce this unconditional tax as a pay back to Brown for his help in Getting Labor elected to Parliament.  Nothing more nothing less.  Its simplistic in content and simplistic in nature.

skippy. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:




You and everyone else knows my thought about the Mad 'monk' Abbott

The problem with Abbott supporters is none of them will debate the Coalitions direct action policy.....They carry on about the carbon tax without accepting the Coalition's climate policy is a very bad joke that has no chance of achieving our targets.....Until we start dealing with reality and debate the Coalitions alternative policy we are allowing Tony Abbott to avoid scrutiny....The carbon tax may not be perfect but it is decades ahead of Abbott's no action policy.....Only the very stupid would accept Abbott's policy has any chance of success!!!



The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes.
Henry Kissinger (1923 - )