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Reply #60 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 8:46am

Kytro was making a point that too much emphasis is being placed on boat people rather than a bigger issue such as visa overstayers represent.
I said it is a question of media profile.
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I said in my reply they are two differnt things... and overstayers are not illegal entrants.,..

I am not saying boat people are illegals... just their method of entering the country..its wrong..and therefore we have to find an answer thats why they get the media coverage.. they are costing us billions..just quietly.

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Reply #61 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 8:53am

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 8:46am:

Kytro was making a point that too much emphasis is being placed on boat people rather than a bigger issue such as visa overstayers represent.
I said it is a question of media profile.
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I said in my reply they are two differnt things... and overstayers are not illegal entrants.,..

I am not saying boat people are illegals... just their method of entering the country..its wrong..and therefore we have to find an answer thats why they get the media coverage.. they are costing us billions..just quietly.

First Cods it depends if they planned on overstaying before they get the visa.If they did then they are illegal entrants.

second,
Australian law and international law says different. There is no right way or wrong way to enter Australia to claim asylum.

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Reply #62 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 9:45am

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 8:46am:

Kytro was making a point that too much emphasis is being placed on boat people rather than a bigger issue such as visa overstayers represent.
I said it is a question of media profile.
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I said in my reply they are two differnt things... and overstayers are not illegal entrants.,..

I am not saying boat people are illegals... just their method of entering the country..its wrong..and therefore we have to find an answer thats why they get the media coverage.. they are costing us billions..just quietly.

I agree, they are two different things.

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Reply #63 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

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Reply #64 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 11:14am

cods wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 4:16pm:

cods wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

We should find out what we can, I was simply saying it is not a significant problem for the vast majority of Australians and there are in fact problems that affect us all that I'd consider a higher priority in terms of resource use

yeah weve done that with vandals...and petty thieves... see where its got us....

we often think if we ignore it it will go away...

having been around for a while I have long learned that is not the case... like topsy it just gorws and grows.. untill it then gets so far out of hand.. [drugs is a good one] that we kind of capitulate...

we have to prtect our borders.. thats my opinion.. maybe its not worth much but thats what I believ in.the thought of any old boat or plane even pulling up anywhere along our shore.. is not on for me.

its got nothing to do with quantity.

are you suggesting that if we got on top of drugs instantly it wouldn't off escalated to the point its at today?

Isn't that the similar thing the US tried with prohibition, and miserably failed?

oh gawd....back almost 100 years are you insane???.. I do think the world has moved on just a wee bit..well mine has..

as it is.. we did and still do turn a blind eye to it..

we dish out sentences that are laughable.. same with vandals.. they laugh at the law and the rules of society..because they are piddling weak.thats why..

we are not a poor nation we dont need to sell drugs on every corner to put food on the table they do it because its easy because the punishment doesnt fit the crime..

just because its tough doesnt mean we should give up... or is that what you think?

take a look at Sydney at night especially Friday and Sat night its a blood bath... all because of grog and drugs.. decent people cant go there and police spend their time fighting with people off their heads.. and getting no thanks for it..

yes we did take our eye off the ball.. and let it run riot..now try to reel it in!!!!!!.. lets see how they go... you do realise dont you that things only get worse...you think the street are not bad now.. well we shall see in another 10 years... I dont envy you.

100 years, 1500 years, it doesn't matter. One thing we can learn as humans is that regulation is not always the fix. As it shown, time and time again. You think it's tough action. I think it's stupid action that is simply made use of by governemtns to show constituents that they are at least doing something. Even though it doesn't actually work. Instead, proactive action through education and awareness raising is what works. Which again, has been shown to be the case time and time again.

As shown quite evidently by the drugs wars in the US which has done absolutely nothing other than intensify the situation in Mexico with the cartel wars and cases of kidnappings - especially of US citizens.

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Reply #65 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 11:59am

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

Either way the figures are minuscule and are of little consequence. The asylum seeker issue is only important as political oneupmanship and nothing more.
New arrivals to this country stimulate economic activity and still dont go anywhere near replacing those that have died or become incapacitated by diseases caused by alcohol and tobacco. So to say these people are a drain on our economy or population growth is a lie.

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Reply #66 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

Well then back to the boat people.

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Reply #67 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

Either way the figures are minuscule and are of little consequence. The asylum seeker issue is only important as political oneupmanship and nothing more.
New arrivals to this country stimulate economic activity and still dont go anywhere near replacing those that have died or become incapacitated by diseases caused by alcohol and tobacco. So to say these people are a drain on our economy or population growth is a lie.

$2 Billion per annum and rising is the current cost to the taxpayer.
85% still on government benefits after more than 5 years.
Now, that's a drain on the economy eh.

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Reply #68 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:56pm

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

Good to see you failed to mention that you are happy with the 26500 overstayers in 1 year, which is the real problem that Kytro was referring to.

Especially when there is no reason for these 26500 overstayers staying in Australia and they are the illegal immigrants you like to refer to - not the "boat people "who are asylum seekers.

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Reply #69 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:58pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

But the overstay rate for visitor visas granted by DIAC is very low.
The percentage of visitor visa holders failing to leave Australia before their visas
expired was 0.75 per cent in 2009–10 (that is only 3 in every 400). For the same
period the rate of visitor visa holders who applied for a protection visa after arriving
in Australia was 0.07 per cent (2680 people).

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/2011-knight-review.pdf

Year Number of Boats Number of people (includes crew)

2009 61 2849*

2010 134 6879**

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

From this it seems to me that the there are far more illegal entries (boat arrivals) than refugees coming by plane: 9728 illegals vs 2680 visa holders.

Good to see you failed to mention that you are happy with the 26500 overstayers in 1 year, which is the real problem that Kytro was referring to.

Especially when there is no reason for these 26500 overstayers staying in Australia and they are the illegal immigrants you like to refer to - not the "boat people "who are asylum seekers.

Well then, back to the visa overstayers.

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