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Reply #225 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:16pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Please looking for the topics in this forum about Chinese.
Don't you think they are blaming others?

If this is a slight against me and my discussions with you... All I can say is that I was up front with you. I made it clear what I was doing before I started doing it...

To you, I wrote...
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That's quite an offensive and racist rant there.

Therefore, can I do to you what you are doing to us?

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Reply #226 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Please looking for the topics in this forum about Chinese.
Don't you think they are blaming others?

If this is a slight against me and my discussions with you... All I can say is that I was up front with you. I made it clear what I was doing before I started doing it...

To you, I wrote...
Quote:

That's quite an offensive and racist rant there.

Therefore, can I do to you what you are doing to us?

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Reply #227 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:31pm

Thank you for your reminding.

Actually, there are some notions always changing by different readers.

When we talk about Australian, different people have different understanding obviously.

And when we talk about racist, different people have different understanding too.

I'm happy if you want to clarify.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

Please do not speak for all Australian. You are one Australian but not the deputy.

And no one here to point the finger to all the "old Australian" but only the few of racists.

I did not speak for all Australians... no one can.

And you are too quick to use the term Racism against others, when truly, you should be paying more attention to your own writing and edited out the racism so obviously included.

If you could learn anything from our discussions, it should be that responding to racism with racism only adds to the divisiveness being expressed.

Finally, your obsession with the few who are and ever will be bigoted, is an unhealthy pursuit that will taint your attitude towards the many... which I suspect, given your pigeon holing of me as racist... is already happening.

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Reply #228 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:40pm

BTW, there are already some guy here admitted as a racist.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342348988

And if you need, I can show you more.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

Please do not speak for all Australian. You are one Australian but not the deputy.

And no one here to point the finger to all the "old Australian" but only the few of racists.

I did not speak for all Australians... no one can.

And you are too quick to use the term Racism against others, when truly, you should be paying more attention to your own writing and edited out the racism so obviously included.

If you could learn anything from our discussions, it should be that responding to racism with racism only adds to the divisiveness being expressed.

Finally, your obsession with the few who are and ever will be bigoted, is an unhealthy pursuit that will taint your attitude towards the many... which I suspect, given your pigeon holing of me as racist... is already happening.

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Reply #229 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:06pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

You expressed offensive racism in a public forum and then dared to justify it by claiming... oh, I was speaking to the few... yet you knew full well that there are many readers.

More offensive still, is the duplicity in which your racism is expressed.

Take a look at what you wrote...
Quote:

Are you still believe the conquering legally?

Slaughter the people and plunder their land? You are still proud of it?

Do you believe if anyone have the power, they have rights to do it again to Australia, to you?

What you are thinking is same to Talibans.

I have to wonder, what have you done to support the Aboriginal cause? Because, all you have done in that quote above is to use the plight of the Aboriginals as a means to insult a non aboriginal.

To use the suffering of an ethnic group as a means to score debate points against a forum member, is racist.

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Reply #230 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:36pm

Ha, why not your read the post I quoted?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

The land that would come to be known as Australia "start from aboriginal culture". But once the aborigines were conquered and Australia was born, that aboriginal culture had no relevance. It was reaplced by the culture of the nation builders - Europeans.

Is it a language barrier that prevents you from understanding this?

How dare he say that as an achievement?

I told him that's crimes. Not glory or achievements.

Am I mistake?

Who give them the rights to "conquer" the Aboriginals?

When I said the "conquer" is slaughter and plunder, who did I offend?

I believe only the guys who still feel "glory" for the "conquering" are offended.

All the upright Australian should be with me no matter their races or cultures.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

You expressed offensive racism in a public forum and then dared to justify it by claiming... oh, I was speaking to the few... yet you knew full well that there are many readers.

More offensive still, is the duplicity in which your racism is expressed.

Take a look at what you wrote...
Quote:

Are you still believe the conquering legally?

Slaughter the people and plunder their land? You are still proud of it?

Do you believe if anyone have the power, they have rights to do it again to Australia, to you?

What you are thinking is same to Talibans.

I have to wonder, what have you done to support the Aboriginal cause? Because, all you have done in that quote above is to use the plight of the Aboriginals as a means to insult a non aboriginal.

To use the suffering of an ethnic group as a means to score debate points against a forum member, is racist.

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Reply #231 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 5:08am

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

You expressed offensive racism in a public forum and then dared to justify it by claiming... oh, I was speaking to the few... yet you knew full well that there are many readers.

More offensive still, is the duplicity in which your racism is expressed.

Take a look at what you wrote...
Quote:

Are you still believe the conquering legally?

Slaughter the people and plunder their land? You are still proud of it?

Do you believe if anyone have the power, they have rights to do it again to Australia, to you?

What you are thinking is same to Talibans.

I have to wonder, what have you done to support the Aboriginal cause? Because, all you have done in that quote above is to use the plight of the Aboriginals as a means to insult a non aboriginal.

To use the suffering of an ethnic group as a means to score debate points against a forum member, is racist.

No he isnt. He is insulting those that the shoe fits. Looks like it fits you hey?

He is saying that those who think it was the right thing too do and think it would be right to do it again.

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Reply #232 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:08am

I think I know Australia more than you know China obviously.

And I keep learning the knowledge of Australia and western culture.

To be honest, I come to this forum to discuss Australia issues, not China.

Only when someone blamed Chinese or China, I talked some knowledge about China or Chinese. Because the blaming mostly base on nescience.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

I will learn more about china... When I decided to move there. Since you have come to Australia, maybe you might like to try to learn something about Australia.

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Reply #233 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Bowen wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:08am:

I think I know Australia more than you know China obviously.

And I keep learning the knowledge of Australia and western culture.

To be honest, I come to this forum to discuss Australia issues, not China.

Only when someone blamed Chinese or China, I talked some knowledge about China or Chinese. Because the blaming mostly base on nescience.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

I will learn more about china... When I decided to move there. Since you have come to Australia, maybe you might like to try to learn something about Australia.

All you have done is talk about china. Even threads in here that are only talking about the need to speak English in Australia have been over taken by you. Not only do you think that English is not required, you expected people to learn Chinese to avoid a "separated society". Yet again, it is you bringing china into the discussion.

The fact that you only talk about china. The fact that you have such a need to defend china at all times. The fact that you expect Australia to change its way to be more Chinese. These things show that you are not Australian, but are still in love with your home country. Your a Chinese shill.

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Reply #234 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Ha, why not your read the post I quoted?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

The land that would come to be known as Australia "start from aboriginal culture". But once the aborigines were conquered and Australia was born, that aboriginal culture had no relevance. It was reaplced by the culture of the nation builders - Europeans.

Is it a language barrier that prevents you from understanding this?

How dare he say that as an achievement?

I told him that's crimes. Not glory or achievements.

Am I mistake?

Who give them the rights to "conquer" the Aboriginals?

When I said the "conquer" is slaughter and plunder, who did I offend?

I believe only the guys who still feel "glory" for the "conquering" are offended.

All the upright Australian should be with me no matter their races or cultures.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

You expressed offensive racism in a public forum and then dared to justify it by claiming... oh, I was speaking to the few... yet you knew full well that there are many readers.

More offensive still, is the duplicity in which your racism is expressed.

Take a look at what you wrote...
Quote:

Are you still believe the conquering legally?

Slaughter the people and plunder their land? You are still proud of it?

Do you believe if anyone have the power, they have rights to do it again to Australia, to you?

What you are thinking is same to Talibans.

I have to wonder, what have you done to support the Aboriginal cause? Because, all you have done in that quote above is to use the plight of the Aboriginals as a means to insult a non aboriginal.

To use the suffering of an ethnic group as a means to score debate points against a forum member, is racist.

Please highlight the part where I made any sort of moral judgement.
Nothing there but stone cold facts mate. I would have thought a high-tech researcher like yourself would be able to tell the difference....

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Reply #235 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:13pm

Aboriginals were slaughtered and plundered, but they still keep their culture until today. The word "conquer" already shows your standpoint.

And you believe it's acceptable that the culture of aboriginals was removed from Australian culture. Until today, you are still attempting to keep the purity of the "Australian culture" excluding the aboriginal culture.

... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Ha, why not your read the post I quoted?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

The land that would come to be known as Australia "start from aboriginal culture". But once the aborigines were conquered and Australia was born, that aboriginal culture had no relevance. It was reaplced by the culture of the nation builders - Europeans.

Is it a language barrier that prevents you from understanding this?

How dare he say that as an achievement?

I told him that's crimes. Not glory or achievements.

Am I mistake?

Who give them the rights to "conquer" the Aboriginals?

When I said the "conquer" is slaughter and plunder, who did I offend?

I believe only the guys who still feel "glory" for the "conquering" are offended.

All the upright Australian should be with me no matter their races or cultures.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Can you tell me what I did that I do not want you guys to do?

You expressed offensive racism in a public forum and then dared to justify it by claiming... oh, I was speaking to the few... yet you knew full well that there are many readers.

More offensive still, is the duplicity in which your racism is expressed.

Take a look at what you wrote...
Quote:

Are you still believe the conquering legally?

Slaughter the people and plunder their land? You are still proud of it?

Do you believe if anyone have the power, they have rights to do it again to Australia, to you?

What you are thinking is same to Talibans.

I have to wonder, what have you done to support the Aboriginal cause? Because, all you have done in that quote above is to use the plight of the Aboriginals as a means to insult a non aboriginal.

To use the suffering of an ethnic group as a means to score debate points against a forum member, is racist.

Please highlight the part where I made any sort of moral judgement.
Nothing there but stone cold facts mate. I would have thought a high-tech researcher like yourself would be able to tell the difference....

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Reply #236 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:20pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Aboriginals were slaughtered and plundered, but they still keep their culture until today. The word "conquer" already shows your standpoint.

And you believe it's acceptable that the culture of aboriginals was removed from Australia culture.

con·quer/ˈkäNGkər/Verb: 1.Overcome and take control of (a place or people) by use of military force.

Conquer is the correct word, is it not?

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Reply #237 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

Why you ignore my second sentence?

And you believe it's acceptable that the culture of aboriginals was removed from Australian culture. Until today, you are still attempting to keep the purity of the "Australian culture" excluding the aboriginal culture.

BTW, myaybe there are some different understanding for the word "conquer" between English and Chinese. In Chinese,There is a corresponding word "征服"(Zheng Fu) to translate the word "conquer". However, killing most of them (or killing them all) is not Zheng Fu as my understanding.

... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:20pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Aboriginals were slaughtered and plundered, but they still keep their culture until today. The word "conquer" already shows your standpoint.

And you believe it's acceptable that the culture of aboriginals was removed from Australia culture.

con·quer/ˈkäNGkər/Verb: 1.Overcome and take control of (a place or people) by use of military force.

Conquer is the correct word, is it not?

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Reply #239 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

It does matter. Because you believe Australian culture is not including aboriginal culture.

However, it's obviously not true.

... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

I ignore your second sentence because it doesnt matter whether it's "acceptable" or not - It happened and nothing can make it un-happen.

Nothing but cold, hard facts buddy. For an *ahem* researcher, you sure do have a lot of trouble discerning fact from sentiment.

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