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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #30 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 8:59pm

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The religion is rich and the poor still suffer too greatly. If we taxed Religion then the govt would have more funds to redirect into programs aimed at empowering and supporting those with less opportunities.

So you think the government would get more done with the money than the church? Can you explain your reasoning?

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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #31 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 9:12pm

Sappho wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 9:54pm:

Grey wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 1:16pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Can you clarify? Who is it that takes the profits?

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an011128-17.html

Of course the pope doesn't get paid a lot. One gold silver and copper coin for each year I believe, which is buried with him, perhaps to cover the cost of living forever in heaven. But you know those ecclesiastical executives live quite well and exercise a lot of power. Châteauneuf-du-Pape Vieux Telegraphe still carries the papal seal.

But I guess they do usually take a vow of poverty 'n all.

Well that would be the 'Christian' thing to do. That's what Jesus encourages of his followers. It's one of the reasons why tithing is so important to the faith. But it is not working.

The religion is rich and the poor still suffer too greatly. If we taxed Religion then the govt would have more funds to redirect into programs aimed at empowering and supporting those with less opportunities.

The govt are best placed to redirect wealth to where it is needed.

And yet its governments that decide to redirect wealth to banking corporations that they deem 'too big to fail'...

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: It is time to tax religion Reply #32 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 10:32pm I'd rather the government to redirect wealth than anybody else.
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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #33 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 10:52pm

When you say government, you mean tired, disinterested bureaucrats?

Remember, this is not your tax money the church is spending, it is donations from private individuals who obviously think the church is a better instrument. It is often spent in material support of people who donate their time for free. Tax that, and those people might just say stuff you, I'm keeping the money. Which is probably more the point - to attack the institution rather than to actually benefit society. Why do some people get so wound up over religios people donating their own money to the church? It is obviously not a business.

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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #34 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:27am

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 10:52pm:

Why do some people get so wound up over religios people donating their own money to the church? It is obviously not a business.

So long as the motives of the church are transparent and truly charitable... And not an organisational freak show black parody of charitable motives, like those of Scientology.

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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #35 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 2:59pm

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Ahh well, if you don't see anything fishy about half your earnings being usurped by an organisation which didn't work for it, has no rightful claim to it and gives you no say in how it is spent, carry on.

I would have thought an 'anarchist' might have seen something wrong with it, but I guess that doesn't apply to champagne anarchists..

A fair and not unexpected criticism on the face of it. Look there's GOVERNMENT and government, depending on what you mean by it. And there's the world you'd like and the world you live in.

I think any society would benefit by coperation in the building of structures that affect everybody. I might never need a hospital, but it's nice to know it's there. I might never need a road in Townsville, but the guy who makes the wotsits that fit into the thingamybobs I use everyday might need it to get to work. So the road is a benefit to me.

My objection to government as an Anarchist is being represented by somebody I don't know from a bar of soap who's been foisted on me by one of the two main gangs of the Laberal party. A government that is hierarchical and interferring with my life in ways that are really none of their concern.

Chipping in to a common fund for infrastructure costs is something I'm happy to do. It's reasonable.

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Argus Tuft New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35 Australia Gender:	Re: It is time to tax religion Reply #36 - Jul 19^th, 2011 at 8:08pm Agree. Unfortunately, religious institutions should be taxed on their earnings just like businesses when evil money-making scams like Scientology can masquerade as a "religion".
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Re: It is time to tax religion
Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:42am

Grey wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

My objection to government as an Anarchist is being represented by somebody I don't know from a bar of soap who's been foisted on me by one of the two main gangs of the Laberal party. A government that is hierarchical and interferring with my life in ways that are really none of their concern.

Chipping in to a common fund for infrastructure costs is something I'm happy to do. It's reasonable.

I can perceive your sense of disenfranchisement for which you hold government, as we understand it, responsible, but how do you imagine in a complex society into which most human cultures have evolved (presuming you are not suggesting we return to small subsistence agricultural committees), should organise its system of government?

You mention you don't like the idea of being represented by people you don't know, but what if you don't know anyone with the competence and the will to lead? Who then should do the leading?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56791 Gender:	Re: It is time to tax religion Reply #38 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 10:22pm Yes. All Religions need to be taxed like everyone else. We'll then see which ones really are 'charitable'.
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