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Reply #255 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 11:53am

Yadda, your message on this thread basically comes down to, every time someone commits a crime, it's their entire religion that's at fault...

So that would mean that ALL christians are to blame when a member of the christian clergy molests a child....

And every thief, thug or killer can argue in court that 'religion made me do it'.....

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Reply #256 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 12:19pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

Yadda, your message on this thread basically comes down to, every time someone commits a crime, it's their entire religion that's at fault...

Easy-peasy gizmo.

gizmo is correct, and Yadda is mistaken.

ISLAM is a virtuous religion.

[....there, i said it. Spit! Spit!]

Now gizmo,

Easy-peasy gizmo, now show me gizmo....

If ISLAM is so benign, so commendable, so just, so virtuous,
....then show me the verses from the Koran, regarding unbelievers,
....which parallel theses verses from the Jewish OT Bible....

e.g.

The God of Moses [the Bible], inspired these words...

The treatment of strangers ['unbelievers'] under the law of Moses;

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger
, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...i
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

So that would mean that ALL christians are to blame when a member of the christian clergy molests a child....

And every thief, thug or killer can argue in court that 'religion made me do it'.....

gizmo,

You are making my argument for me!

In many rape cases involving moslems, in non-moslem countries, that is EXACTLY the 'defence' [the 'mitigating' circumstance] which many moslems have used.

i.e.

'I am a moslem. And in ISLAM, i am allowed to have sex [rape] with such women.'

Google,

"they had no right to say no"

Google,

"rape jihad"

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Reply #261 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:18pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

Yadda, your message on this thread basically comes down to, every time someone commits a crime, it's their entire religion that's at fault...

Easy-peasy gizmo.

gizmo is correct, and Yadda is mistaken.

ISLAM is a virtuous religion.

[....there, i said it. Spit! Spit!]

Now gizmo,

Easy-peasy gizmo, now show me gizmo....

If ISLAM is so benign, so commendable, so just, so virtuous,
....then show me the verses from the Koran, regarding unbelievers,
....which parallel theses verses from the Jewish OT Bible....

e.g.

The God of Moses [the Bible], inspired these words...

The treatment of strangers ['unbelievers'] under the law of Moses;

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger
, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...i
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

So that would mean that ALL christians are to blame when a member of the christian clergy molests a child....

And every thief, thug or killer can argue in court that 'religion made me do it'.....

gizmo,

You are making my argument for me!

[highlight]In many rape cases involving moslems, in non-moslem countries, that is EXACTLY the 'defence' [the 'mitigating' circumstance] which many moslems have used.[/highlight]
i.e.

'I am a moslem. And in ISLAM, i am allowed to have sex [rape] with such women.'

Google,

"they had no right to say no"

Google,

"rape jihad"

No I'm not Yadda...I'm pointing out the errors IN your arguement...

Criminals often use bogus and stupid excuses to explain away guilt..

The worst possible mistake we (or any other society) can make is to enable them to do that, by falling victim to our own bigottry...

David Berkowitz claimed to have been commanded to kill by his neighbour's dog.....do you think that was true????

People do bad things, to allow them to shift the blame from themselves onto a abstract like religion,gods, demons, fairies or family break ups leads to a situation where no one is actually responsible for their own actions....

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Reply #262 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:48pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

...Yadda...I'm pointing out the errors IN your arguement...

Criminals often use bogus and stupid excuses to explain away guilt..

The worst possible mistake we (or any other society) can make is to enable them to do that, by falling victim to our own bigottry...

David Berkowitz claimed to have been commanded to kill by his neighbour's dog.....do you think that was true????

People do bad things, to allow them to shift the blame from themselves onto a abstract like religion,gods, demons, fairies or family break ups leads to a situation where no one is actually responsible for their own actions....

gizmo,

My 'argument', is that ISLAM is an evil and violent philosophy.

The content of the Koran and Hadith [ ISLAM's own foundation texts ] are a 'witness' against ISLAM,
....and their content support my argument.

You have chosen to reject that evidence.

And you repeatedly insist that although ISLAM's own foundation texts clearly encourages moslem violence against persons who are not moslems, that ISLAM is nevertheless blameless.

IMO, that yours is an IRRATIONAL argument.

Whereas, i can support my 'argument', with evidence.

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Reply #263 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 2:33pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

...Yadda...I'm pointing out the errors IN your arguement...

Criminals often use bogus and stupid excuses to explain away guilt..

The worst possible mistake we (or any other society) can make is to enable them to do that, by falling victim to our own bigottry...

David Berkowitz claimed to have been commanded to kill by his neighbour's dog.....do you think that was true????

People do bad things, to allow them to shift the blame from themselves onto a abstract like religion,gods, demons, fairies or family break ups leads to a situation where no one is actually responsible for their own actions....

gizmo,

My 'argument', is that ISLAM is an evil and violent philosophy.

The content of the Koran and Hadith [ ISLAM's own foundation texts ] are a 'witness' against ISLAM,
....and their content support my argument.

You have chosen to reject that evidence.

And you repeatedly insist that although ISLAM's own foundation texts clearly encourages moslem violence against persons who are not moslems, that ISLAM is nevertheless blameless.

IMO, that yours is an IRRATIONAL argument.

Whereas, i can support my 'argument', with evidence.

Point 1) 'Stranger' and 'Unbeliever' do not mean the same thing..

Point 2) Your evidence consists of part or modified quotes from Quranic texts..

Point 3) Every religious book contains older passages that still exist, but are no longer followed, to use the Bible as an example......when did you last go out and kill a witch(practitioner of Wiccan)??? And how long has it been since a child was stoned to death for disrespecting their parents????

Both of these actions are 'commanded' by the Bible......but are no longer followed.......

Can you offer any actual proof that Islam STILL uses the older instructions and commands that people follow them??...No, of course you can't.

My proof, on the other hand, is real life evidence......there are over 1 billion muslims in the world today, but less than 1 in a 1000 actually commit acts of terror or crimes against non muslims.....an number THAT small proves that the actions of this small group is aberrant behaviour, at odds with the mainstream religion...

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Reply #264 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

Point 1) 'Stranger' and 'Unbeliever' do not mean the same thing..

Point 2) Your evidence consists of part or modified quotes from Quranic texts..

Point 3) Every religious book contains older passages that still exist, but are no longer followed, to use the Bible as an example......when did you last go out and kill a witch(practitioner of Wiccan)??? And how long has it been since a child was stoned to death for disrespecting their parents????

Both of these actions are 'commanded' by the Bible......but are no longer followed.......

Can you offer any actual proof that Islam STILL uses the older instructions and commands that people follow them??...No, of course you can't.

My proof, on the other hand, is real life evidence......there are over 1 billion muslims in the world today, but less than 1 in a 1000 actually commit acts of terror or crimes against non muslims.....an number THAT small proves that the actions of this small group is aberrant behaviour, at odds with the mainstream religion...

gizmo,

If what you assert about ISLAM/moslems is true, then where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders, condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

And why are attacks upon non-moslems, and non-moslem communities so prevalent in moslem countries, and again.... where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders [in moslem countries], condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

e.g.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt.

Where is the condemnation from the moslem community, of the attacks upon non-moslems, in those countries ???

Google;

persecution of muslims christians pakistan

There is no condemnation of the violence against non-moslems, in those countries, from the majority moslem community.

Google;

mohammed, silence is consent

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Rather, from moslem community leaders we will often hear things like this.....

This next guy is a moslem 'holy man'....

Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric [Sheik Feiz Mohammed]
January 18, 2007
..."We want to have children and offer them as soldiers...Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;
non-muslims "as filthy as urine and feces"

Google;
non-muslims are excrement

AND,

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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THE TRUTH IS THAT....

ISLAM, is a lie.

Moslems promote that lie.

Moslems are a part of that lie.

E V E R Y D A Y - MOSLEMS LIE

ISLAM......is a false religion, for a false people.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."
http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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Reply #265 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:35pm

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gizmo,

If what you assert about ISLAM/moslems is true, then where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders, condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

And why are attacks upon non-moslems, and non-moslem communities so prevalent in moslem countries, and again.... where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders [in moslem countries], condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

e.g.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt.

Where is the condemnation from the moslem community, of the attacks upon non-moslems, in those countries ???

Google;

persecution of muslims christians pakistan

There is no condemnation of the violence against non-moslems, in those countries, from the majority moslem community.

The big problem is, there is NO central authority within Islam (as far as I can find, maybe Abu would know)....so there's really no one TO 'condemn' the opinions of other teachers or Imaans.....or, given the attitude of Western media, perhaps there's no one to report said condemnation???

For all we know...Imaans all over the world might be ranting and complaining about 'radical' Islam, ever day...but if it's ignored by media who like 'profiling' as much as you seem to....then we'd never know about it, would we???

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Reply #266 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:

Quote:

gizmo,

If what you assert about ISLAM/moslems is true, then where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders, condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

And why are attacks upon non-moslems, and non-moslem communities so prevalent in moslem countries, and again.... where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders [in moslem countries], condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

e.g.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt.

Where is the condemnation from the moslem community, of the attacks upon non-moslems, in those countries ???

Google;

persecution of muslims christians pakistan

There is no condemnation of the violence against non-moslems, in those countries, from the majority moslem community.

The big problem is, there is NO central authority within Islam

(as far as I can find, maybe Abu would know)....so there's really no one TO 'condemn' the opinions of other teachers or Imaans.....or, given the attitude of Western media, perhaps there's no one to report said condemnation???

For all we know...Imaans all over the world might be ranting and complaining about 'radical' Islam, ever day...but if it's ignored by media who like 'profiling' as much as you seem to....then we'd never know about it, would we???

Let me get this straight giz.

So, ISLAM is not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

Moslem community leaders, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

Moslem imams, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

And moslems, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

So, who IS for responsible the 'bad behaviour', and for the bad and violent conduct, of many moslems ???

Oh i know !!!

It is non-moslems who are responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems !!!

Because, non-moslems are for responsible for the 'radicalisation' moslems.

Because non-moslems criticise moslems for their bad conduct, and then the moslems say, "If you non-moslems didn't persecute us, all would be OK." !!!!

Its all the fault of non-moslems !!!!!

Moslem violence, is caused by non-moslems !!!!!

Of course!!!

/sarc off

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Reply #267 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 4:17pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 12:31pm:

who reads yaddas posts here

Apparently, you do cliff. Grin

I read one or 2 lines.

Yadda can't remain on topic.
I think he has ADD.

Correct.

So you agree.
Yadda has Attention Deficit Disorder.

Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder
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Predominantly inattentive type symptoms may include:[30]

Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another
Have difficulty maintaining focus on one task
Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something enjoyable
Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new or trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities
Not seem to listen when spoken to
Daydream, become easily confused, and move slowly
Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others
Struggle to follow instructions.
Predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type symptoms may include:[30]

Fidget and squirm in their seats
Talk nonstop
Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight
Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time
Be constantly in motion
Have difficulty doing quiet tasks or activities.
and also these manifestations primarily of impulsivity:[30]

Be very impatient
Blurt out inappropriate comments, show their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for consequences
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Reply #268 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 4:25pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:

Quote:

gizmo,

If what you assert about ISLAM/moslems is true, then where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders, condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

And why are attacks upon non-moslems, and non-moslem communities so prevalent in moslem countries, and again.... where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders [in moslem countries], condemning attacks upon non-moslems.

e.g.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt.

Where is the condemnation from the moslem community, of the attacks upon non-moslems, in those countries ???

Google;

persecution of muslims christians pakistan

There is no condemnation of the violence against non-moslems, in those countries, from the majority moslem community.

The big problem is, there is NO central authority within Islam

(as far as I can find, maybe Abu would know)....so there's really no one TO 'condemn' the opinions of other teachers or Imaans.....or, given the attitude of Western media, perhaps there's no one to report said condemnation???

For all we know...Imaans all over the world might be ranting and complaining about 'radical' Islam, ever day...but if it's ignored by media who like 'profiling' as much as you seem to....then we'd never know about it, would we???

Let me get this straight giz.

So, ISLAM is not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

Moslem community leaders, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

Moslem imams, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

And moslems, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems.

So, who IS for responsible the 'bad behaviour', and for the bad and violent conduct, of many moslems ???

Oh i know !!!

It is non-moslems who are responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems !!!

Because, non-moslems are for responsible for the 'radicalisation' moslems.

Because non-moslems criticise moslems for their bad conduct, and then the moslems say, "If you non-moslems didn't persecute us, all would be OK." !!!!

Its all the fault of non-moslems !!!!!

Moslem violence, is caused by non-moslems !!!!!

Of course!!!

/sarc off

The muslim community leaders have limited power over their communities..only....

The muslim imaans can only affect the behaviour of people who attend their mosque....

Some of the imaans are the ones causing these problems, true.....but there is no one (except the actual worshippers) to stop them...and since the worshippers believe what the imaan tell them....that gets a little tricky..

And the ONLY people responsible for the bad and violent behaviour of 'some muslim' is THOSE muslim themselves...

That's what you don't seem to get.....if ONE person commits a crime or violent act, then THAT person is the only one, ultimately, responsible for that act...Not his brother, not the guy next door, not the guy behind him at the supermarket or the person next to him during worship....JUST the person who DID the deed...

Blaming everyone else that the criminal ever met, or talked to or who has the same hair/eye colour is stupid....

If a person commits a hit and run in a white commodore, should we assume that everyone with a white commodore is a hit and run driver?????

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Reply #269 - Jun 9^th, 2011 at 4:55pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 9^th, 2011 at 3:54pm:

So, who IS for responsible the 'bad behaviour', and for the bad and violent conduct, of many moslems ???

Oh i know !!!

It is non-moslems who are responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems !!!

Because, non-moslems are for responsible for the 'radicalisation' moslems.

Because non-moslems criticise moslems for their bad conduct, and then the moslems say, "If you non-moslems didn't persecute us, all would be OK." !!!!

Its all the fault of non-moslems !!!!!

Moslem violence, is caused by non-moslems !!!!!

Of course!!!

/sarc off

'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'

Quote:

"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them.
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.
.....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace.....
......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."

"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1

n.b.
"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening"

So, when moslems use violence against 'unbelievers', moslems are merely 'inviting' non-moslems to embrace ISLAM [...and hoping that non-moslems will have the common-sense to accept their 'invitation', to enjoy the 'peace' which ISLAM offers to all men].
/sarc off

Google;

those who resist islam cause wars and are responsible for them

That, is the twisted logic which all good moslems fully embrace, a 'logic' which is used to justify all of their violence against 'unbelievers'.

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more on this moslem SOPHISTRY here...

"Sharia Australia"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/13#13

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