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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #180 - May 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

you fail to understand the credibility of claiming ALL weather events as evidence of CC. the recent rought in australia was not unprecedented. nor was the floods. but you want to claim both.

I'm not talking about weather events, I'm talking about the impact on the systems that drive the weather events. The Pacific Ocean is undeniably warmer and it is undeniably having an impact on the intensity of the ENSO cycle.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/features/PacificOceanSeaSurfaceHeig...

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it never ends. you claim the sea is rising when an island SINKS. it all getrs a bit ludicrous in the end.

No, you just believe everything you read from people like Andrew Bolt. The guy who made the claim about the sinking island, whose only other claim to fame is as a failed water dowser, has been thoroughly discredited and shown to be a fraud (from a water dowser? Who woulda thunk it! Roll Eyes

). This is yet another example of how once a lie has been disseminated it becomes fact the denialosphere.

http://circleh.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/damning-evidence-of-fraud-by-nils-axel-m...

Anymore denier talking points that you need me to shoot down?

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #181 - May 15^th, 2011 at 5:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:23pm:

mozzaok wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm:

The biggest con that the Climate Change Denialists managed, was to attach their campaign of misinformation, and deceit, to the right leaning side of politics, where people take up the denialist position, just because they have always supported political views from that side of politics.

Facts do not change to suit people's political agendas, and it is very disconcerting to see people accepting the lies of the Denialist campaign, without question.
The rejection of proper scientific scholarship, in favour of political PR style spruiking, would be amusing, if it were not an issue with such huge ramifications for future generations, and the ones who are knowingly promoting known lies, should be held accountable.

The burden of proof has become such a misused term in this issue as to have become almost meaningless, when the same people who demand further proof from climate scientists, promote a ridiculous conspiracy theory that ALL the world's climate scientists are corrupt, and secretly colluding to perpetrate a massive global swindle.
So they create a no win situation where all the valid evidence placed in front of them, can be discounted as unreliable, because of their belief in a massive conspiracy, which is self evident to them, despite the total lack of credibility for such a preposterous belief.

So, when you have ruled out all the real experts in the world as being invalid, who does that leave you to gather your facts from?

Who, do the denialists believe??? (and if they answer that, we then need to know why?)

Id debate your position but we know what you do to people who oppose your beliefs. you ban them.

Typical left-wing behaviour.

Another lie from an unmitigated, and unrepentant liar.
Your reality must be a confusing place.

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery? Reply #182 - May 15^th, 2011 at 5:34pm mozzaok wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 5:22pm: an unmitigated, and unrepentant liar. Who keeps repeating lies even after they've been shown to be lies.
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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #183 - May 15^th, 2011 at 6:50pm

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

No, you're anti-science. You have decided that a vast chunk of scientific understanding can be ignored because it doesn't suit your ideological belief structure. You're just like a creationist.

It's even simpler than that. I just do not want to be on the same side as people like you. I just do not want whatever you guys are having. I think of this as being discerning.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery? Reply #184 - May 15^th, 2011 at 6:51pm freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 1:02pm: So basically Abbott lied and you now try desperately to change the topic, but as soon as you are offered a chance to defend Abbott, you suddenly get all shy on us? WHat did Flannery say? And what did Abbott say that was a lie about what Flannery said?
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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #185 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:06pm

mozzaok wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm:

The biggest con that the Climate Change Denialists managed, was to attach their campaign of misinformation, and deceit, to the right leaning side of politics, where people take up the denialist position, just because they have always supported political views from that side of politics.

Facts do not change to suit people's political agendas, and it is very disconcerting to see people accepting the lies of the Denialist campaign, without question.
The rejection of proper scientific scholarship, in favour of political PR style spruiking, would be amusing, if it were not an issue with such huge ramifications for future generations, and the ones who are knowingly promoting known lies, should be held accountable.

The burden of proof has become such a misused term in this issue as to have become almost meaningless, when the same people who demand further proof from climate scientists, promote a ridiculous conspiracy theory that ALL the world's climate scientists are corrupt, and secretly colluding to perpetrate a massive global swindle.
So they create a no win situation where all the valid evidence placed in front of them, can be discounted as unreliable, because of their belief in a massive conspiracy, which is self evident to them, despite the total lack of credibility for such a preposterous belief.

So, when you have ruled out all the real experts in the world as being invalid, who does that leave you to gather your facts from?

Who, do the denialists believe??? (and if they answer that, we then need to know why?)

There is a whole heap of stuff in the 'climate science/change' bag. Not accepting every single proposal and pronouncement by you or any other partisan is not 'denialism', Mozz. You are old enough to know that.

The heated rhetoric you and others employ is completely unscientific and wholly - yes, political. SO what you guys are agitating for is a wholesale acceptance of every stupid political idea you have or accepted because of partisan alliances. And when people don't go along you come out with the usual pathetic, political froth and nonsense.

The Australian carbon tax proposal is of the very same mindless gesture politics. It is a completely pointless exercise - unless you aim to preen and prance in public. For that, it is an excellent measure. As far as the climate is concerned, or even global cooperation, it is a tiny fart in the wind. I am actually amazed that anyone over 14 actually proposes or defends it. It's just that stupid.

To plant forests and make energy use efficient IS a far, far better measure if a country wants togo it alone. All that tax and reimburse and bureaucratise is the cloth-cap brid=gade's fetish about money (carbon tax is about money and government bean-counting). It is the lefty 'look-at-moi, I'm virtueous' sh!t.

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #186 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:15pm

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 6:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

So basically Abbott lied and you now try desperately to change the topic, but as soon as you are offered a chance to defend Abbott, you suddenly get all shy on us?

WHat did Flannery say? And what did Abbott say that was a lie about what Flannery said?

From the opening post in this thread:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

If the coalition keeps stumbling on such basic mathematical and logical concepts, how can they be expected to grasp the science and the economics of the issue?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/coalition-climate-change-policy.html#should-to...

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #187 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:19pm

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

you fail to understand the credibility of claiming ALL weather events as evidence of CC. the recent rought in australia was not unprecedented. nor was the floods. but you want to claim both.

I'm not talking about weather events,

Bullsh!t, with respect.

When there is a hurricane, a flood, a bushfire, a drought - all weather events - the 'do something about the climate' brigade are very, very happy to cite these events as proof of climate change caused by man - and woman (we want to be inclusive, don't we.).

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #189 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:49pm

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 7:19pm:

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

you fail to understand the credibility of claiming ALL weather events as evidence of CC. the recent rought in australia was not unprecedented. nor was the floods. but you want to claim both.

I'm not talking about weather events,

Bullsh!t, with respect.

When there is a hurricane, a flood, a bushfire, a drought - all weather events - the 'do something about the climate' brigade are very, very happy to cite these events as proof of climate change caused by man - and woman (we want to be inclusive, don't we.).

Examples? Because everything I read doesn't claim a weather event is proof of anything. But I DO hear comments along the line of 'these events are likely to become more frequent and more intense as the climate warms'. Which isn't controversial at all, it is well established fact. But, then again, I get MY information from the science press, not the mainstream media. Maybe that's the difference here?

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #190 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:53pm

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

you fail to understand the credibility of claiming ALL weather events as evidence of CC. the recent rought in australia was not unprecedented. nor was the floods. but you want to claim both.

I'm not talking about weather events, I'm talking about the impact on the systems that drive the weather events. The Pacific Ocean is undeniably warmer and it is undeniably having an impact on the intensity of the ENSO cycle.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/features/PacificOceanSeaSurfaceHeig...

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it never ends. you claim the sea is rising when an island SINKS. it all getrs a bit ludicrous in the end.

No, you just believe everything you read from people like Andrew Bolt. The guy who made the claim about the sinking island, whose only other claim to fame is as a failed water dowser, has been thoroughly discredited and shown to be a fraud (from a water dowser? Who woulda thunk it! Roll Eyes

). This is yet another example of how once a lie has been disseminated it becomes fact the denialosphere.

http://circleh.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/damning-evidence-of-fraud-by-nils-axel-m...

Anymore denier talking points that you need me to shoot down?

The water in Jurien Bay was undeniably warm this year in the evenings...!

UNDENIABLY!

DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT?

IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT STING RAY THING I WOULD HAVE JUMPED IN BUT, I WAS ALMOST THINKING IT WAS TOO HOT EVEN.

THE CURRENTS ARE WEIRD FOR SURE BUT PEOPLE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHY...

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #191 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:55pm

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 7:19pm:

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

you fail to understand the credibility of claiming ALL weather events as evidence of CC. the recent rought in australia was not unprecedented. nor was the floods. but you want to claim both.

I'm not talking about weather events,

Bullsh!t, with respect.

When there is a hurricane, a flood, a bushfire, a drought - all weather events - the 'do something about the climate' brigade are very, very happy to cite these events as proof of climate change caused by man - and woman (we want to be inclusive, don't we.).

Examples? Because everything I read doesn't claim a weather event is proof of anything. But I DO hear comments along the line of 'these events are likely to become more frequent and more intense as the climate warms'. Which isn't controversial at all, it is well established fact. But, then again, I get MY information from the science press, not the mainstream media. Maybe that's the difference here?

MUDDYING THE WATER IS SORENS ONLY TRICK!

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Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery?
Reply #193 - May 15^th, 2011 at 8:01pm

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:

astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

No, you're anti-science. You have decided that a vast chunk of scientific understanding can be ignored because it doesn't suit your ideological belief structure. You're just like a creationist.

It's even simpler than that. I just do not want to be on the same side as people like you. I just do not want whatever you guys are having. I think of this as being discerning.

WASN'T TED BUNDY A REPUBLICAN?????

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Should Abbott apologise to Flannery? Reply #194 - May 15^th, 2011 at 8:02pm astro_surf wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 5:34pm: mozzaok wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 5:22pm: an unmitigated, and unrepentant liar. Who keeps repeating lies even after they've been shown to be lies. YES, BUT, THAT IS JUST THE METH TALKING.....
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