Don't recall saying it did.

Islam need not justify anything.

Perhaps you're confusing countering propaganda with justification?

I don't believe in Gods anymore than I believe in:

witches, goblins, leprechauns, elfs, father Xmas, the tooth fairy,
or the doctrine of the infallibility of the Pope, miracles, or Holy water,
virgin births, ressurection, parting of the seas, the devil, heaven or hell.

It's all nonsense.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:


That defensive statement could be more readily accepted were it not for the fact that every time I see an act of barbarity carried out in the name of Islam, I also see muslims either declare the barbarity as justifiable, or as misguided because the perpetrator did not have the word of god they based their action upon, validated by an Imam. Indeed we have seen examples of many Imams who have chosen to interpret words from the Koran to justify horrendous acts, and as men who are supposed to be very learned in the way allah wants muslims to behave, what muslims can then claim the right to denounce these men?
Do people like the preacher Bashir, who appeared to be a prime mover in the terror attacks in Bali, receive greater authority, and deference, because they have longer, and greater learning of muslim scriptures?

Does the ordinary muslim who just wants to lead a good and peaceful life, have the right to ignore the teachings of such men?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:



Abu,




The Koran has very specific things to say about the authority of moslem clerics.

The Koran very explicitly, instructs believers to follow the instruction and guidance of their clerics, without question.

For a moslem, his faith, his very 'goodness', is entirely dependent upon, absolute obedience to Allah, and to the clerics - as a slave of Allah.

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65







abu_rashid wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:



Abu,




ISLAM promotes itself [to non-moslems], through its adherents, by claiming that ISLAM is a honourable and beneficial philosophy for mankind.

But ISLAM's adherents insist that no one, either inside ISLAM [moslems], or outside ISLAM [non-moslems], must be allowed to critically examine ISLAM, and its tenets and precepts.

Indeed, within ISLAMIC jurisdictions, critics of ISLAM are often summarily killed, for their 'crime' of 'insulting' [the 'peace' of] ISLAM.

If ISLAM truly is a honourable and beneficial philosophy to mankind, why is critical examination of ISLAM always met with violence by its adherents???

One of the essential differences between 'Western' culture, and ISLAM, is that we have embraced self criticism.

But, ISLAM never has.

And ISLAM never, ever, will, embrace self criticism.

The Koran, ISLAM's primary foundation texts actually forbids 'self examination' of ISLAM, by moslems...

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

lol @ Yadda!

HC wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 10:26am:


Bit rich, given that the 'success' of western society is on the back of colonialism, and sending its armies into foriegn lands, killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions, over the past century or so.

Muslim attacks in those cities have resulted in thousands of deaths. Western attacks and invasions in muslims lands have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands.

I don't see any muslim armies in western lands...do you?