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Reply #30 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:31am
 
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And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies.
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He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies.

Are we seeing a pattern?
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Reply #31 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:52am
 
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Being critical of Israel is not anti-semitism.

If only the USA would be more critical of Israel in the past, instead of being apologists and molly coddlers, maybe we could see the problem in Palestine being resolved.


and yet none of you ever criticise the psychotic regimes that surrouns Israel. Why is that? it is not the criticism of Israel I am concerned about; it is the toal lack of any semblance of balance on the issue.
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Reply #32 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:54am
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:31am:
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And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies.
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He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies.

Are we seeing a pattern?


the 'pattern' is that if howards contracts to fix the broadband network had been kept we would now have 93% of australians with broadband. paid for and actually finished!
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Reply #33 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am
 
That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given.

But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel.

No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians.

If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.
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Reply #34 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:07am
 
Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am:
That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given.

But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel.

No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians.

If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.


the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism.
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Reply #35 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:07am:
Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am:
That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given.

But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel.

No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians.

If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.


the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism.


The arabs didn't always hate the jews - that would be anti-semitic. People like me didn't always look suspiciously at Israel, but the decades have passed, and they have acted like occupiers rather than benificent friends.

I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.

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Reply #36 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:20am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:54am:
mozzaok wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:31am:
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And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies.
Smithy

He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies.

Are we seeing a pattern?


the 'pattern' is that if howards contracts to fix the broadband network had been kept we would now have 93% of australians with broadband. paid for and actually finished!


I will leave you to revel in your fantasies longy, and do not wish to derail this thread by going over barren ground, my point was that Abbott's answers too often, are to just throw money at the big corporations who helped cause the problems in the first place, which is a good indication of his lack of vision, and his lack of imagination, not to mention other deficiencies.
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Reply #37 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:41am
 
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I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.



So anyway your against an entire bunch of jews who happens to occupy and live in the area that we know as the holy land and they dont say that for nothing with that unique history which has led to the creation of 3 major religous faiths.

The point is Israel believes it has a claim to that piece of land just like the palestinians do, in there stories it was a land promised to them by God through Abraham, whether its true or not, THE ISRAELIS BELIEVE IT and they are not going to just get up and leave the land after being there for nearly a century, because you think its all wrong.

Longy is exactly right this issue is not so one sided and it is complex, there is no easy solution in the near horizen, despite the efforts of each american president.
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Reply #38 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 9:01am
 
Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:07am:
Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am:
That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given.

But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel.

No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians.

If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.


the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism.


The arabs didn't always hate the jews - that would be anti-semitic. People like me didn't always look suspiciously at Israel, but the decades have passed, and they have acted like occupiers rather than benificent friends.

I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.



seriously, where did you pick that up from?
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Reply #39 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 10:09am
 
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/politics/jewhistory.asp

Try here longweekend. One examle I find on my first search, which even you could have done.

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Reply #40 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 10:12am
 
"So what were Arab-Jewish relations like historically? Again there are two extreme competing answers to this question. On one view, Jews and Christians enjoyed the status of a 'protected' minority under Islam, and the Jews in Muslim Spain enjoyed a golden age of peace and prosperity. Others argue that Jews and Christians were 'protected' only from extermination and were never anything but second-class.

Muslims took control of the Middle East through [jihad ­ religious wars of conquest. The indigenous Christians and Jews were spared conversion and death if they abided by certain terms of a dhimma agreement. They had to pay a special tax, the jizya, cede the centre of the road to Muslims, ride only donkeys, not horses. They could not build a synagogue taller than a mosque, could not testify against Muslims in court, could not bear arms, and had to wear distinctive clothing. In short, their status was one of institutionalized inferiority and humiliation."

A more complex answer, but nonetheless.

http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2010/01/arab-jewish-relations-under-islamic.html
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Reply #41 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 10:14am
 
Although not the only cause, a large part of the deterioration in Muslim-Jewish relations comes from the emergence of Zionism, the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist Jews and British colonizers, as well as their continuing oppression.

Siddiqi says, "while this reaction results in anti-Jewish feeling it must be seen in its proper historical context. It must be remembered that anti-Jewish sentiments in so far as it is to be found in the contemporary Arab world is strictly a modern phenomenon and one that runs counter to the time honored Islamic tradition of fraternity and tolerance.

"The very widespread popular notion that present day Arab-Jewish hostility is but another chapter in a long history of mutual animosity is totally false. If there is one thing the past makes clear it is precisely that Arabs and Jews can live together peacefully and in a mutually beneficial relationship. History also makes it very clear that they are the heirs to the Islamic tradition of openness and tolerance."

http://www.islam101.com/humanRelations/mjhist.htm
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Reply #42 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 11:48am
 
ernie footbru, what is the logic in going over colonial history. If we do that we might as well be honest and say that the British ought to have stayed in Africa for another hundred years to give the locals a better chance of becoming civilised.
What we've got is Israel, a functioning democracy and successful economy, in the midst of a sea of hatred, typical Arab irrationality or even in-bred lunacy if you will, trying to survive a never-ending war of terror. Remember they never attacked their neighbours, they have always been the attackees.
And then we've got these shining lights of the future - the Greens - who, contrary to what mozzaok says, have enough anti-semite sentiment among them that at least two of their species have wormed their way to the top as candidates to espouse views of which Josef Goebbels would be proud.
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Reply #43 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 12:00pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 11:48am:
ernie footbru, what is the logic in going over colonial history. If we do that we might as well be honest and say that the British ought to have stayed in Africa for another hundred years to give the locals a better chance of becoming civilised.
What we've got is Israel, a functioning democracy and successful economy, in the midst of a sea of hatred, typical Arab irrationality or even in-bred lunacy if you will, trying to survive a never-ending war of terror. Remember they never attacked their neighbours, they have always been the attackees.
And then we've got these shining lights of the future - the Greens - who, contrary to what mozzaok says, have enough anti-semite sentiment among them that at least two of their species have wormed their way to the top as candidates to espouse views of which Josef Goebbels would be proud.


Because to find a solution to need to understand the problem.
The problem isn't 65 years old it's alot longer.
And also I think you'll find that the Jews were the original terrorists bombing British police stations etc in the years of debate about forming their state.

And what is it with all the Nazi's references lately?
Bolt did it on Insiders this morning too "1933 Germany"
Haven't you guys heard that the 1st to bring them or Hilter up in a debate loses?

That said before I'm accused of being an Arab loving Jew hater,Rhiannon is a dangerous fruitloop.
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Reply #44 - Apr 3rd, 2011 at 12:02pm
 
Well you have no argument from me on your last statement.
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