Australian Politics Forum - Are the Greens anti-semitic?

stryder

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 4545
Sydney
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #15 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm

Quote:

Turnbull supported the ETS because he knew it was the right thing to do.

YOU THINK ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, Many Australians dont, many australians are seeing there household budgets shrink under the rising cost of living and we have that red haired liar as PM saying that we need this carbon tax, TAX you get it, ???? how is a tax going to do something that astronomical, and none of you can answer that ??? on top of that there is no way to measure if this tax would really reverse the climate of our planet, it makes the whole idea crazy, there must be better ways to shift ourselves from one source of energy to another without taxing the crap out of people, and mind you this is followed up by a mining tax.

But then again Governments always look and scan for ways to tax us more and they have found one in Global warming/Climate change, the price for an awakened enviromental conscience.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:04am by stryder »

IP Logged

darkhall67

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1935

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #16 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:51pm

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1301732629/0#0 date=1301732629]After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes. If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?[/quote]

None on display in the opening post.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #17 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:01pm

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Quote:

Turnbull supported the ETS because he knew it was the right thing to do.

YOU THINK ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, Many Australians dont, many australians are seeing there household budgets shrink under the rising cost of living and we have that red haired liar as PM saying that we need this carbon tax, TAX you get it, ???? how is a tax going to do something that astronomical, and none of you can answer that ??? on top of that there is no way to measure if this tax would really reverse the climate of our planet, it makes the whole idea crazy, there must be better ways to shift ourselves from one source of energy to another without taxing the crap out of people, and mind you this is followed up by a mining tax.

But then again Governments always look and scan for ways to tax us more and they have found one in Global warming/Climate change, the price for an awakened enviromental conscious.

If you wish to discuss CC we should move it to one of the many threads on it.

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

Belgarion

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6141
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #18 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:17pm

First off, I don't think criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. This claim, along with wailing and moaning about how badly the Jews were treated in WWII, has been used for far too long to stifle any criticism of Israel and its actions, in the same way the cty of 'racist' is used by the multiculti acolytes to stifle debate.

Having said that, the greens are a pack of self-important wankers who have a hugely over inflated sense of their relevance. Local councillors should be concentrating on roads, rates and rubbish, not on foreign policy. Play student politics in your own time retards, not the taxpayers. Tongue

Back to top

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #19 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:14pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic, the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy.

While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre.

Why is that so?

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #20 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:17pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:17pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic, the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I think we have established that the guilt from WWII still runs deep and ANY critism of Israel no matter how soft or warranted causes immediate accusations of racism.
It's almost like an automatic self defense mechanism.

A simple solution to that is to perhaps think of Israel in the terms of the other countries in the region. Egypt, Syria, Libya, Jordan, etc. which ones are democratic? which one gives equal rights to women? Israel has much that is to be criticised, but by the standards of its region it is a shining light. To cast the stone ONLY at Israel is to demonstrate and attitude that can only be described as racism or in this case its unique form of the word - anti-semitism.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

darkhall67

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1935

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #21 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:14pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic, the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy.

While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre.

Why is that so?

As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years?

Back to top

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes. If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?

Longweekend - that's not Green policy & you know it.
You're just trying to stir up trouble - as usual.

You seem happy to quote tony abbots words and call them policies. Why cant I do the same with the Greens? What makes them so special that they can say apalling things and not be held to account? quite simpley, they cant. and the electors of NSW made that very very very clear.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #23 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:21pm

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:51pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1301732629/0#0 date=1301732629]After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes. If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?[/quote]

None on display in the opening post.

so is that tacit support for the Greens comments or simply your embarrasment trying to find a way out of the problem?

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #24 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:22pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:17pm:

First off, I don't think criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. This claim, along with wailing and moaning about how badly the Jews were treated in WWII, has been used for far too long to stifle any criticism of Israel and its actions, in the same way the cty of 'racist' is used by the multiculti acolytes to stifle debate.

Having said that, the greens are a pack of self-important wankers who have a hugely over inflated sense of their relevance. Local councillors should be concentrating on roads, rates and rubbish, not on foreign policy. Play student politics in your own time retards, not the taxpayers. Tongue

criticism is fine. but a local council organising a boycott against a single country is altogether different.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:24pm

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:14pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic, the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy.

While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre.

Why is that so?

As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years?

the comparison is specious and disturbing.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

darkhall67

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1935

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:24pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:14pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic, the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy.

While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre.

Why is that so?

As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years?

the comparison is specious and disturbing.

One group of people have more rights in a country than another group and that other group is treated as second class citizens.

A specious comparison?

Back to top

IP Logged

Prevailing

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7169
Stop Men

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #27 - Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 5:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes. If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?

The Greens have an ideological basis that is disturbingly similar to that of Nazi Policies. They support an energy accounting system, they support Euthanasia carried out by the state on the sick, the disabled and dying, they are advocates of social and genetic engineering, scientific dictatorship through a carbon economy and a world imperial Government.

Back to top

I condemn Male Violence Against Women
The Government Supports Gynocide
There Is Something Dreadfully Wrong With Men

IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 119852
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic?
Reply #28 - Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 6:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes. If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?

Longweekend - that's not Green policy & you know it.
You're just trying to stir up trouble - as usual.

You seem happy to quote tony abbots words and call them policies. Why cant I do the same with the Greens? What makes them so special that they can say apalling things and not be held to account? quite simpley, they cant. and the electors of NSW made that very very very clear.

Longweekend,
I don't quote Abbott ever - he's nothing but a babbling buffoon -
a bit like you. Grin

The Libbos need to find someone presentable or they'll lose again. Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Are the Greens anti-semitic? Reply #29 - Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:05am Being critical of Israel is not anti-semitism. If only the USA would be more critical of Israel in the past, instead of being apologists and molly coddlers, maybe we could see the problem in Palestine being resolved.
Back to top	IP Logged