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Shari'ah law overruns the U.S?
Mar 30th, 2011 at 8:57pm
 
Why didn't this make it all over the headlines? Ahh right, it was a Christian doing something based on what he believes the Bible commands him to do, not a Muslim and the Qur'an. My mistake...



Philadelphia Man Blames Bible for Stoning Death

by Candace Chellew-Hodge (March 21, 2011 7:12AM)


A 28-year-old Philadelphia says he stoned a 70-year-old friend to death “because the Bible refers to stoning homosexuals.” John Thomas said he killed Murray Seidman with stones inside a sock after the older man made “unwanted sexual advances.” From the APreport:

    According to the complaint, “John Thomas stated that he read in the Old Testament that homosexuals should be stoned in certain situations. The answer John Thomas received from his prayers was to put an end to the victim’s life. John Thomas stated that he struck the victim approximately 10 times in the head. After the final blow, John Thomas made sure the victim was dead.”

But the full story reveals that Thomas’ “the Bible made me do it” excuse may just be that. Thomas had another, far older, motive for the killing: money. He was the sole heir to Seidman’s estate.

Yet Thomas’ excuse that the Bible supposedly sanctioned his horrific act should not be taken as a reason to dismiss the Bible wholesale. Gay blogger John Aravosis — like Thomas, not a theologian – agrees with the confessed killer that the Bible orders death for gay people and wonders: “How Christians get away with selling the Bible with those quotes still inside is beyond me.”

Both Thomas and Aravosis are right that the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, to be precise) prescribes death for homosexual acts between two men (never between two women because women, being property, were pretty much ignored). However, Thomas is incorrect about the method of death. The Bible never mentions stoning gay men.

Both arguments, though, miss the point. Bibles don’t kill people, ignorant Bible readers kill people.

Aravosis may find some solace from theologian Stanley Hauerwas who wrote a few years ago in his book Unleashing the Scripture, “The Bible is not and should not be accessible to merely anyone, but rather it should only be made available to those who have undergone the hard discipline of existing as part of God’s people.”

Which is to say that many people, like Thomas, who justify their conduct with a single quote from the Bible frequently don’t know what they are talking about. When one reads the Bible and takes the English version at face (and literal) value, they do terrible violence to the text. The Bible is not meant to be a book of answers where you can just open it up and find out exactly what to do next. It is not a Ouija board or a divining rod. Instead, it is a collection of writings from wildly different times, cultures, and points of view. In fact, it contradicts itself from book to book, and sometimes from chapter to chapter. To say, “the Bible says …” as if it settles an argument once and for all is a terribly naïve way to read a very complicated text. Instead, one must be trained to actually read the Bible in a responsible manner – preferably, as Hauerwas states, within a community dedicated to taking the Bible seriously.

As Jennifer Wright Knust writes in her latest book, Unprotected Texts, “The only way the Bible can be regarded as straightforward and simple is if no one bothers to read it. The Bible was not a collection of policy statements that had to be obeyed or a weapon designed to enforce particular views about morality, but an invitation to think about who God might be and what it means to be human.”

Source: Religion Despatches
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Re: Shari'ah law overruns the U.S?
Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 10:12am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 8:57pm:
Why didn't this make it all over the headlines? Ahh right, it was a Christian doing something based on what he believes the Bible commands him to do, not a Muslim and the Qur'an. My mistake...



Philadelphia Man Blames Bible for Stoning Death

by Candace Chellew-Hodge (March 21, 2011 7:12AM)


A 28-year-old Philadelphia says he stoned a 70-year-old friend to death “because the Bible refers to stoning homosexuals.” John Thomas said he killed Murray Seidman with stones inside a sock after the older man made “unwanted sexual advances.” From the APreport:

......Both Thomas and Aravosis are right that the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, to be precise) prescribes death for homosexual acts between two men....
......Bibles don’t kill people, ignorant Bible readers kill people.
......many people, like Thomas, who justify their conduct with a single quote from the Bible frequently don’t know what they are talking about.





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EXPLANATION...

Many of the severe sanctions in the law of Moses relate to the punishments for covenant breakers, among the Hebrew people, exclusively.

Those sanctions, do not relate to non-Hebrew people.

Those sanctions relate only to that community, which entered into a covenant with their God [to be holy].





SUPPORTING TEXTS FOR THIS LOGIC...

Leviticus 20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
23  And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
24  But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.

"I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people."


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.




It is recorded [in the books of Moses] that after being redeemed from bondage in Egypt, the Hebrew people freely entered into a covenant with their holy God.

Dictionary;
covenant = =
1 a solemn agreement.
2 [theology] an agreement held to be the basis of a relationship of commitment with God.


The agreement [consent] of the people, was recorded;

"...And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do...."
Exodus 19:5-8




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The logic that John Thomas can 'validate' the killing of Murray Seidman [from OT texts, relating to a covenant between a the Hebrews and God], is like me saying that as a Christian, am justified in fighting and killing people who i regard as 'unbelievers', because i am justified by Koran verses [because Allah is the true God], which says that all 'unbelievers', are God's enemies, and the friends of SATAN, and that they are therefore worthy of death at my hand.

e.g.  #1

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76




e.g.  #2

WHAT MOSLEMS BELIEVE, RELATING TO THE JUSTIFICATION, OF THEIR CONDUCT TOWARDS NON-MOSLEMS...



Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader.
Here on YOUTUBE, Anjem Choudary explains ISLAM's 'world view', to the dumb Kuffar;

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


AND;

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

[Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad]
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...


N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

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Re: Shari'ah law overruns the U.S?
Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 10:57am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 10:12am:

The logic that John Thomas can 'validate' the killing of Murray Seidman
[from OT texts, relating to a covenant between a the Hebrews and God], is like me saying that as a Christian, am justified in fighting and killing people who i regard as 'unbelievers', because i am justified by Koran verses [because Allah is the true God], which says that all 'unbelievers', are God's enemies, and the friends of SATAN, and that they are therefore worthy of death at my hand.

e.g.  #1

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76








The truth is, that good moslems consider themselves to be, the 'Hebrews' [i.e. God's covenant people] of this modern age.

Why so ???

Because that is fact, that is truth, which is stated by ISLAMIC doctrine, which is based in ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran and the Hadith.

e.g.
"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



Within ISLAM, for a devout moslem all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.



E.G.
IMAGE
...


And therefore, so long as the actions of moslems are justified within ISLAM, and halal by Sharia law, then the actions of moslems are justified [in Allah's eyes],
....NO MATTER WHAT THE NON-MOSLEM WORLD MAY SAY ABOUT THEIR CONDUCT.



The violent supremacism which is being expressed in the actions of moslems around the world today, is sourced from within, is encouraged within, and is motivated by, ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith.

And this attitude of domineering moslem supremacy, coupled with a sense of automatic unearned entitlement and merit is taught to every moslem [from childhood], by ISLAMIC doctrine

i.e.
All moslems have achieved the highest merit in life, because they have embraced ISLAM.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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