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Reply #60 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:15am

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:01am:

Wesley, a quick question if I may .. you're ok with seeing YOUR mother, sisters, aunts, nieces, daughters and grand-daughters suffer on a/c of gender inequity/inequality in the workplace?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

I WOULDN'T be happy to see it, IF I believed it was an issue.

What if it WAS an issue for them .. but only YOU couldn't see it or believed it was an issue?

What would you say/do then?

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Reply #62 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:22am

Now, would YOU be happy to see your father, brothers, uncles, sons etc be discriminated against, to fulfil a quota of women, who may not be equally qualified?

- Wesley

Ohhhh FFS .. you know damn well .. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE BOTH MEN AND WOMEN (IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THEY WERE FAMILY MEMBERS OR NOT) HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE IN SECURING 'THE JOB'.

For this to happen .. we need to address gender inequity FIRST!

That is why affirmative action and EEO policies EXIST!

Sighs ..

Now off you go and think about that for a while.

I'm not prepared to continue educating ignorance all day (again). It gets tiresome after a few hours.

>> prepares for the loud thud of a PENNY DROPPING <<

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Reply #63 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:28am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

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Have you no faith in womens abilities, without legislation to assist them?

If equality was about ability, we wouldn't need legislation.

Women were capable of voting throughout the centuries, but were denied a say in their own lives until legislation gave them the opportunity.

Aye, but lets' not act like it's just women who are up against it. The rich kids, male or female, get parachuted into cushy jobs due to their connections, not ability.

It's not what you know, it's who you know, and it's not divided along gender lines. Increasing grounds for discrimination will do nothing to change this.

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Reply #64 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:22am:

Now, would YOU be happy to see your father, brothers, uncles, sons etc be discriminated against, to fulfil a quota of women, who may not be equally qualified?

- Wesley

Ohhhh FFS .. you know damn well .. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE BOTH MEN AND WOMEN (IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THEY WERE FAMILY MEMBERS OR NOT) HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE IN SECURING 'THE JOB'.
For this to happen .. we need to address gender inequity FIRST!

That is why affirmative action and EEO policies EXIST!

Sighs ..

Now off you go and think about that for a while.

I'm not prepared to continue educating ignorance all day (again). It gets tiresome after a few hours.

>> prepares for the loud thud of a PENNY DROPPING <<

So why do you support discrimination on the basis of gender? When forced quotas are in place, there is not equal chance.

Best person for the job on their own merit. I wouldn't think many people could oppose this ideal, but here we are.

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Reply #65 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:36am

Oh sighs .. the penny STILL hasn't dropped.

I don't mean to be condescending at all with some of my previous posts in here.

It's just that I would love to hear from an enlightened/intelligent/experienced (preferably educated) male who knows wtf they're talking about. One who isn't forever sitting like some lazy/ignorant/ incompetent couch potato on the learning curve sofa of every topic I enter.

That's all.

Oh and one other thing .. it would be lovely (as well as refreshing) if such a male actually READ and UNDERSTOOD an ENTIRE post and did not conveniently deny/ignore those parts which they found challenging/difficult to accept.

Am I asking too much?

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Reply #66 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:36am:

Oh sighs .. the penny STILL hasn't dropped.

I don't mean to be condescending at all with some of my previous posts in here.

It's just that I would love to hear from an enlightened/intelligent/experienced (preferably educated) male who knows wtf they're talking about. One who isn't forever sitting like some lazy/ignorant/ incompetent couch potato on the learning curve sofa of every topic I enter.

That's all.

Oh and one other thing .. it would be lovely (as well as refreshing) if such a male actually READ and UNDERSTOOD an ENTIRE post and did not conveniently deny/ignore those parts which they found challenging/difficult to accept.

Am I asking too much?

yes you do, be honest.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #67 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:51am Read my previous reply in its entirety (in particular the penultimate paragraph). Then get back to me.
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Reply #68 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:56am

Yes, funny, because if I were a petty man, I could level the same accusations at you.

I'll just leave ya with a little pearl of wisdom - making references to 'the dark ages' and 'some peoples ignorance/stupidity' doesn't class as debate.
Saying it repeatedly just makes it look like you've lost.

Truts me, this is good advice. Please try to take it on board.

Goodbye Lisa.

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Reply #69 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:59am

Nahh (if you bothered to read my previous posts in their entirety) .. you'd know that it just shows I'm a tad fed up with those who choose to nurture ignorance daily. At first it makes me smile (only because I find it curiously amusing) .. after that it gets annoying. I guess I expect more of some people and when they fail to deliver .. well .. it gives me the s.hits to be brutally honest.

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Reply #70 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 1:53pm

So Lisa, answer me this.
If legislation is enacted which says companies must have say 30% of directors being of the female gender - I wonder how that would work BTW, do they just get appointed without having to be elected - If it happens and we shareholders prefer someone else, an experienced male company director, who is standing for election, don't we get a choice? And is that OK? We have to accept someone to be the custodian of our money that we don't want?

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mavisdavis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1512	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #71 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 2:27pm Nothing positive can come from the proposed legislation. Companies will be weakened by sub standard management, and all women will be ostracized for the incompetence of the token few Real women don`t need to be patronised.
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Reply #72 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 2:42pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 1:53pm:

So Lisa, answer me this.
If legislation is enacted which says companies must have say 30% of directors being of the female gender - I wonder how that would work BTW, do they just get appointed without having to be elected - If it happens and we shareholders prefer someone else, an experienced male company director, who is standing for election, don't we get a choice? And is that OK? We have to accept someone to be the custodian of our money that we don't want?

Actually Bogarde .. how about you answer me this:

If EQUITY principled legislation is pushed through to FORCE CHANGE which will enable the breaking of a glass ceiling which hitherto has functioned to keep competent/qualified/appropriately skilled women out .. tell me what do you think about that?

I'm asking for your personal opinion here .. nothing more (at this stage).

Bogarde .. I'm looking forward to hearing your response.

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Reply #73 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 2:48pm

I think this is a cultural issue that is changing as the baby boomers disappear from the workforce. Legislation to enforce a certain number of females is just completely counter productive and will lead many to question whether competent female board members have earned their hard fought spots through merit or the law.

I think a more reliable snap shot could be taken by looking at middle management numbers (the up and comers) and see what the ratios are there.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #74 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 2:48pm Ah yes recruitment and HR. Where would we be without these essential workers in a company....
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