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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 6:13pm Quote: Oh no. That means they might have to get rid of things like company cars, and big executive bonuses. Oh dear. Yes, far better that people should get something for nothing, than people be rewarded in ways other than salary hey?
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tickfen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1405 Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #16 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:27pm should have more tea ladies! criteria under 50kilo, size under 3, height above 150 cm, and age under 25, minimum measurements 36D-23-34 oh and standard uniform is a micro mini skirt with a t-shirt 3 sizes too small! bwaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa
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mavisdavis Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1512	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:29pm Quote: Oh no. That means they might have to get rid of things like company cars, and big executive bonuses. Oh dear. They won`t have to do that, but they will be forced by law, to engage sub standard people. This will hurt women more than anything!
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #18 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 7:28am Quote: Does this mean that firms will have to employ more women, and wont be able to get out of paying more maternity leave?. You are seriously a wanker. The Government is paying it, not the employer.
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remember_when64 Full Member Offline C'est la vie Posts: 172	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:16am Quote: Oh no. That means they might have to get rid of things like company cars, and big executive bonuses. Oh dear. Why would that be? Less profitable because of "token" women?
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Reply #20 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:28am

I am probably more in favour of putting people in place based on merit but we hardly do that now so probably little impact, Instead of seats for mates other factors could come into play.

An industry I worked in which had a low female participation rate tried the same thing, women got promoted by the bucket full. They mostly would not have held the positions on merit and many were too junior.

I doubt it would have as much impact with boards - the company I am with at present you could substitute the board with a flock of ducks and the performance would not decrease.

Though I suspect that a flock of very wealthy ducks may be an issue, duck season could be a very different proposition.

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Reply #21 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:48am

I applied for a job in a university a couple years ago which had never actually appointed a man to any position other than the Director. Of course I was unsuccessful, being male. Since then they have continued their unstated policy of only appointing women in direct contravention of law and policy. The trouble is it is impossible to prove.

But I got the last laugh. Part of this group runs an undustry training program so I started up in competition and are now in the position to demolish their business anyhow.

Where's Kate Ellis when government actively and obviously discriminates against men - and universities are excellent at doing just that.

But it is good to see Labor coing up with yet another unworkable unethical and deeply unpopular policy to help drive their vote down even further.

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Reply #22 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:55am

I remember a few years back in England seeing an advert for Hackney Borough Council (well known for being looney left)

"We encourage applications from female and ethnic minorities"

and then

"Hackney Borough Council is an equal opportunities employer"

I am sure as a white male I would have had a real chance in that process.....

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Reply #23 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:02am

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

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The Coalition's acting spokeswoman on the status of women, Bronwyn Bishop, said the new diversity regime was “the sort of thing you would expect from a totalitarian regime”.

The proposal would lead to tokenism and the promotion of women simply because they were women, Ms Bishop said.

“What it does is make women permanent second class citizens. It opens the minister up herself to being called a token female in the ministry.”

Ms Bishop described the announcement as “heavy handed, half-baked policy, wasting $11.2 million dollars”.

She said it was part of an agenda to strip away the right of employers to run their businesses efficiently and employ people on merit.

Onya bronwyn...bang on the money.

I don’t often agree with Bronwyn Bishop, but she is right on the money here.

What are these dick hating android feminists playing at. I love it when these penis haters advocate rights for themselves, but forget the inequality that’s happening with disabled people in the workforce.

This kind of thing is only going to create tokenism and bad business for your business, because you will be forced to hire women who may not be as qualified or experience for the positions as males.

What eve happened to getting the job on merit?

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Reply #24 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

I remember a few years back in England seeing an advert for Hackney Borough Council (well known for being looney left)

"We encourage applications from female and ethnic minorities"

and then

"Hackney Borough Council is an equal opportunities employer"

I am sure as a white male I would have had a real chance in that process.....

It isn't so much the fact that you're a white male Andrei (that can't be helped). It's just that you seem to have time travelled from the Dark Ages where nothing about EEO and gender equity/equality ever existed .. which concerns me (and no doubt .. that would have concerned the Council too .. given these principles define their work ethic/culture).

ANYONE who has ever worked in the recruitment industry will tell you Andrei .. that technical competence/skill ISN'T the only determining factor when employing an individual.

There are a few other determining factors in order to ensure a suitable FIT.

rolls eyes/sighs ..

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culldav Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2020	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #25 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:10am Maybe its time for men to form a group or council and show how they are discriminated against. The problem we males face is once a female dick hater is appointed to a senior position within a company they are more likely to discriminate against males and just hire females for jobs.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #26 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:12am A general question if I may .. any intelligent males about this morning .. preferably those who know what they're talking about?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #27 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:13am Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:12am: A general question if I may .. any intelligent males about this morning .. preferably those who know what they're talking about? depends...will you address the topic rather than your only contribution being vague references to 'the dark ages'?
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Reply #28 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:14am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

I remember a few years back in England seeing an advert for Hackney Borough Council (well known for being looney left)

"We encourage applications from female and ethnic minorities"

and then

"Hackney Borough Council is an equal opportunities employer"

I am sure as a white male I would have had a real chance in that process.....

It isn't so much the fact that you're a white male Andrei (that can't be helped). It's just that you seem to have time travelled from the Dark Ages where nothing about EEO and gender equity/equality ever existed .. which concerns me (and no doubt .. that would have concerned the Council too .. given these principles define their work ethic/culture).

ANYONE who has ever worked in the recruitment industry will tell you Andrei .. that technical competence/skill ISN'T the only determining factor when employing an individual.

There are a few other determining factors in order to ensure a suitable FIT.

rolls eyes/sighs ..

Yes Lisa, the employer has already made up their mind which gender will better suit that specific role within their organisation, but they still hold fake interviews and ask recruitment agencies to send both genders.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #29 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:17am The government should be addressing the 18% gender pay gap first. Many women are paid less than men for doing the exact same job.
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