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frenchyjen70 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 518	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #135 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:37pm Kat wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:35pm: Lisa, I mentioned to the real Jen a while back that I'd seen her posts on here. She stated that it was NOT her. This is getting more absurd For starters, no you didn't and secondly youre not the same person that I spoke with!
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #136 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:37pm Ok I'LL ASK AGAIN .. How come you're not answering your mobile Frenchyjen70? Answer me on Yahoo IM then .. go on. That shouldn't be all too hard given we have chatted heaps of times on there .. even recently.
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Reply #137 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:38pm

Maybe they want to treat their working life like a game of tennis; you know where men have to play the best of 5 sets whilst women the best of 3 sets for the same prize money.

- Frenchyjen70

There is NO WAY Jen would say that about women. NO FRIGGING WAY!

Who the frack are you??

You're not my beautiful friend Frenchyjen70 that's for sure .. you've impersonated her id though.

Why would you try that silly stunt though I wonder? Did you think you'd never get caught eh?

Hmmm.

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Reply #138 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:39pm

frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:10pm:

tickfen wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 5:54pm:

so it is good to watch Lisa totally avoid the facts she was supposed to present. So it is safe to assuem that there is NO gender bias in pay in australia and everything she said was pure rubbish? Seems fair to me!

OMFG
you mean yet another femo mytth has been debunked

woooohooooooo

It has been a myth for a long time. some women want the same pay over their lifetimes but want to work less time for it. thats not what i call equality.

Maybe they want to treat their working life like a game of tennis; you know where men have to play the best of 5 sets whilst women the best of 3 sets for the same prize money.

Getting back on topic;
why aren't tennis players playing the same number of sets?

Why are men disadvantaged?
Will giLIARd also instigate an $11m enquiry to make men and womens tennis games the same number of sets?

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Reply #139 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:40pm

frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:37pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:35pm:

Lisa, I mentioned to the real Jen a while back
that I'd seen her posts on here.

She stated that it was NOT her.

This is getting more absurd
For starters, no you didn't
and secondly youre not the same person that I spoke with!

Now I'M confused......(walks off, bemusedly shaking head...)

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frenchyjen70 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 518	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #140 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:40pm And yes, I did say that - whoever you are.
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Reply #141 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:44pm

What is quite perplexing is that when women or men have an advantage over the other gender when one gender complains they always refuse to want to be equal themselves or remove the advantage that they have.
Perfect example is the tennis situation and the primary school teachers.

It wasnt that long ago that there was a major concern over why girls weren't doing as good as boys in maths and other subjects. So many millions were spent to help boost girls education at all levels.
But now girls are outperforming boys and for some time, so where is the millions being spent on boys education?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #142 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:49pm Oh .. you've fled the scene ever so quickly after I posted that topic on those who impersonate others eh Frenchyjen70. Funny that.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #143 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56pm http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299757678/0#1 For the benefit of others who haven't yet realized that the id on THIS message board who is posting as Frenchyjen70 is in fact an impersonator of the original Frenchyjen70 who has posted on Yahoo with us over many years.
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Reply #144 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:25am

Lisa,

You have advocated your self intelligence as a University educated individual, but you have failed one of the guiding simplistic rules of using critical analysis when debating as issue.

The ACTU released these “off-the-cuff” statements that women are being paid less than men, but in their media statement, and on the link you provided no large or mum & dad business or company was named to substantiate their claims or your accusations.

The ALP has instructed the ACTC to use women’s wage equality as a distraction and ruse tactic for a Government under media and public siege for introducing carbon tax without a mandate.

This is the worst thing about some women who still have penis envy and that is, as soon as a feminist issue is raised that seems like they are being taken advantage off, they immediately jump on the bandwagon regardless of facts just so they can get one up on the men.

No one is saying that in some point in time that some women were not paid the same as men for doing the same job, but you would be hard pressed today to find any reputable business or company that doesn’t pay equal wages to males and female.

The only example I could assume still exists would be in backyard sweatshops, but that has more to do with labour coats than gender.

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Reply #145 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299757678/0#1

For the benefit of others who haven't yet realized that the id on THIS message board who is posting as Frenchyjen70 is in fact an impersonator of the original Frenchyjen70 who has posted on Yahoo with us over many years.

The matter has been reported .. the relevant Mods are now aware of what has happened here and the matter will be addressed by them.

For the record .. I condemn any troll like the id FRENCHYJEN70 from Oz Politic who impersonates and clones another online persona and then pretends to be that person.

Regards to all.

Lisa

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Reply #146 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:46am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299757678/0#1

For the benefit of others who haven't yet realized that the id on THIS message board who is posting as Frenchyjen70 is in fact an impersonator of the original Frenchyjen70 who has posted on Yahoo with us over many years.

care factor: zero.

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Reply #147 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:54am

culldav wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

Lisa,

You have advocated your self intelligence as a University educated individual, but you have failed one of the guiding simplistic rules of using critical analysis when debating as issue.

The ACTU released these “off-the-cuff” statements that women are being paid less than men, but in their media statement, and on the link you provided no large or mum & dad business or company was named to substantiate their claims or your accusations.

The ALP has instructed the ACTC to use women’s wage equality as a distraction and ruse tactic for a Government under media and public siege for introducing carbon tax without a mandate.

This is the worst thing about some women who still have penis envy and that is, as soon as a feminist issue is raised that seems like they are being taken advantage off, they immediately jump on the bandwagon regardless of facts just so they can get one up on the men.

No one is saying that in some point in time that some women were not paid the same as men for doing the same job, but you would be hard pressed today to find any reputable business or company that doesn’t pay equal wages to males and female.

The only example I could assume still exists would be in backyard sweatshops, but that has more to do with labour coats than gender.

>> groans <<

Where do I start here?

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Reply #148 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

culldav wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

Lisa,

You have advocated your self intelligence as a University educated individual, but you have failed one of the guiding simplistic rules of using critical analysis when debating as issue.

The ACTU released these “off-the-cuff” statements that women are being paid less than men, but in their media statement, and on the link you provided no large or mum & dad business or company was named to substantiate their claims or your accusations.

The ALP has instructed the ACTC to use women’s wage equality as a distraction and ruse tactic for a Government under media and public siege for introducing carbon tax without a mandate.

This is the worst thing about some women who still have penis envy and that is, as soon as a feminist issue is raised that seems like they are being taken advantage off, they immediately jump on the bandwagon regardless of facts just so they can get one up on the men.

No one is saying that in some point in time that some women were not paid the same as men for doing the same job, but you would be hard pressed today to find any reputable business or company that doesn’t pay equal wages to males and female.

The only example I could assume still exists would be in backyard sweatshops, but that has more to do with labour coats than gender.

>> groans <<

Where do I start here?

I might not be as educated as you Lisa, but I think a good starting point would be for you and the ACTU to substantiate your claims that female workers are being paid less wages then males for doing the same job.

Substantiated evidence would include a company or business that has recently been prosecuted for under paying women.

I think we should also stick to the parameters of mainstream companies and businesses in Australia when debating this issues, and not rely on backyard sweatshops as a precedent.

Does that sound fair and reasonable?

I look forward to reading your link.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Gender quotas for company boards Reply #149 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 11:07am Quote: I think we should also stick to the parameters of mainstream companies and businesses in Australia when debating this issues, and not rely on backyard sweatshops as a precedent. Why? Do women who work in sweatshops not count?
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