LOL...I may have been mistaken...


mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:

stryder wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

LOL no names, just rhetoric, and from the poison dwarf at that,LOL LOL LOL  

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by Skippy


THE DAILY TELEGRAPH reported that three senior MPs - NSW senator Steve Hutchins, South Australian senator Don Farrell and Queensland senator and president of the Senate John Hogg - voiced their deep and valid concerns about the party's direction to Gillard, Swan and Trade Minister Craig Emerson on Wednesday.

stryder wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 3:14pm:


Labor would be stupid to listen to scaremongering from the opposition - because that's all it is.

Although - it would be nice for the opposition if they did - killing two birds with the one stone.

Let's not forget the Liberal/National Alliance where they depended on seats from the Nationals to form government.

a  reply  on another forum ( crikey Poll Bludger ) on same issue;
     
OzPol Tragic
Posted Sunday, March 6, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

Post  ~Morning all…Gary, I think the mainstream electorate is very worried about the Greens being in pseudo-power. It was a mistake for Julia to sign her pact with BB. ~

Reply- ~ Huh?
1. The “mainstream” electorate pays little attention to politics, except at Budget & Election time. That’s one great silent tribute to the effectiveness of Oz politics & gov!

2. Most Labor voters and traditional Liberals true to the party as it was before 1996, 2nd preference Greens.

3. You’d have to be young not to remember the original great environmental issues – The Rocks, Lake Peddar, Cooloola Sands, Fraser Island , Great Barrier Reef –> Gordon-Below-Franklin and the High Court decision on that. In all of those (as in Scrap the WAP, Vote “YES” in the Aboriginal Referendum) the Change Masters & Makers were informal coalitions of Liberal, Labor, Australia P/ Democrat, TUs, “greenies” – note: in a couple of environmental projects, the WAP & AR, those who delivered the legislation were

4. In the last 50 years since 1960s activism changes Australia’s When bread was white & cheese was Kraft attitudinal landscape, so much of the original agendas was mainstreamed under Holt, Gorton, Whitlam, Fraser and Hawke-Keating :

* environmentlism – (fauna & flora) phasing out whaling industry, conservation of other marine life, conservation of native fauna & flora species, putting aside an increasing amount of significant land in National & State parks, Heritage Listing, ecotourism & with matching facilities, returning some/ more water to rivers and lakes turned dry by dams etc –> a much greater awareness, from childhood, of the importance of these issues;

* acceptance of a much wider variety of raw & processed food (much of it of nonAnglo-celtic origin), and a variety health issues involved in food production and consumption;

* acceptance of “greenhouse”-neutral gardening (inc organic), housing & power;

* before Howard needed to win back Pauline Hanson’s voters, a strengthening tolerance of other races and religions, and a very positive embrace of multiculturalism

* non-discrimination in Parliaments & Councils, government/official appointments (inc research), public services and throughout the private workforce
to name a few.

NB: note that, originally, Libs were the strongest supporters of a non-racist, non-sexist, tolerant Australia. Whitlam’s election to the leader of the ALP made it bi-partisan. The Country/National party, representing rural townsfolk (inc itinerant, mainly AWU-organised rural workers) farmers with mainly small to medium size holdings, and Big Mining interests, did not support these initiatives.
Though its Fed arm started recruiting the religious right (esp RC) earlier & it picked up votes from USA-style fundamentalists who, in SEQ, voted for Joh BP, Pauline Hanson, RW Shockjocks (esp Alan Jones) & Tampa 2001 mark an amazing Liberal about-face on its own ‘l’iberal values and stances – as Fraser, Cheney, Turnbull and others point out. Under Tony Abbott’s leadership almost all semblance of the Party of Menzies, Holt, Gorton, Fraser, Peacock – even Turnbull – has disappeared.

The mainstream electorate is very worried? I don’t think so; nor does anyone who read Possum’s artricle on the “Liberal demographic train-wreck.”

Demographically, the mainstream electorate is not aging Liberals, racists, religious fundamentalists & their political arms, the Nats, shockjocks and their scared, weird, poorly-educated, bigoted Whities. The mainstream electorate is well-educated (at least on paper) social-networking GenY (increasingly), GenX and Baby Boomers – all majority ALP/Green voters – with about 42% ALP/Green voters in the remaining, aging demographics.

As widely reported, dropping CPRS cost Rudd his support; dumping Rudd and the CPRS during the election almost cost Gillard the election – especially loss of Q seats (losses were minimal elsewhere; there were gains in Vic.) IOW dumping CPRS cost ALP heavily and almost handed Abbott victory. That’s reality.
That mainstream electorate is predominantly ALP/Green voting!

mantra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:



And you think that's someone who should be in a position of authority and responsibility guiding the country is it??

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:


Smithy the days of the Greens being a political party in Australia are all but over.

qikvtec wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 4:31pm:



Frankly, I don't think that anybody can accurately predict how the next 2 years will pan out politically in Oz...

The only thing that I would be prepared to wager at the moment is that: the Libs will need to both ditch doGmatic Abbott and resoundingly-denounce all of his rabid religious-righteous cronies and their extremist policies, in order to try to win over the moderate centrist swinging voters...

In the absence of a change of Lib leadership, I do not expect any major shift away from the current polling - but ditching and denouncing Abbott & Co could well prove to be an election-winning move...

Apparently, Windsor intends to leave Parliament and I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Katter called it a day as well...

For various reasons, Oakeshott's future is less certain - I would like to see him stay on and prove his critics wrong by being democratically re-elected...

As for the Labs and the Greens, they will either need to cement their political marriage of convenience or formally divorce - both approaches carry significant risks for both parties in the public eye and therefore at the ballot box...

I do not believe that the Greens will suffer a savage electoral hit at the Federal level (they could increase their vote if the LibLabs don't give enough priority to environmental and socio-economic equity and human rights issues) - oh, and I expect that Brown will enact a leadership succession plan for the Greens...