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Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:21pm
 
Next mass extinction an eyeblink away: scientists


Life on Earth is hurtling towards extinction levels comparable to those following the dinosaur-erasing asteroid impact of 65 million years ago, propelled forward by human activities, say scientists.

This week, scientists from the University of California, Berkeley, announced that if current extinction rates continue unabated, and vulnerable species disappear, Earth could lose three-quarters of its species as soon as three centuries from now.

"That's a geological eyeblink," said Nicholas Matzke, a graduate student at UC Berkeley and author of a paper describing the doom-and-gloom scenario.

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"Once you lose species, you don't get them back. It takes millions of years to rebound from a mass extinction event."

This means that not, too far in the future, backyards might not be buzzing with bees, bombarded by seagulls or shaded by redwood trees. And while that might seem far off, species are already disappearing on a global scale.

In recent history, we've lost the dodo bird and the passenger pigeon, the Javan tiger and the Japanese sea lion, and now, maybe the eastern cougar - declared extinct by the US Fish and Wildlife Service on Wednesday.

Amphibians, mammals, plants, fish - none are immune to going the way of the dinosaurs, courtesy of the human impact on fragile ecosystems.

Such enormous losses have occurred only five times in the past half-billion years, during events known as "mass extinctions".

The best-known of these events occurred 65 million years ago - a "really bad day," according to paleontologists - when an asteroid collided with Earth, sending fiery dust into the atmosphere and rapidly cooling the planet.

These "Big Five" events set the extinction bar high: to reach mass wipe-out status, 75 per cent of all species need to disappear within a geologically short time frame, meaning that Earth is currently on the brink of the sixth mass extinction.

To determine whether current losses could equal these mass extinction rates, scientists compared recent rates with species die-offs during the Big Five, taking into account presently endangered species.

They also looked at the number of species lost in recent history, and found that while rates are dramatically higher than expected, the percentage of vanishing species is not elevated - yet.

We already are engaged in a seemingly inexorable march toward barren landscapes and empty seas, a procession fuelled by human population growth, resource consumption and climate change, scientists say.

"The good news is, we still have most of what we want to save," said Berkeley paleobiologist and lead study author Anthony Barnosky. "But things are clearly going extinct too fast today."

The paper, published in this week's issue of Nature, resulted from a graduate seminar Barnosky organised in autumn 2009.

Together, he and students used fossils to compare extinction rates with more modern data, wanting to answer whether we really are seeing the sixth mass extinction.

To make comparisons, scientists used information from well-preserved fossils and modern accounts of disappearing animals, focusing on our milk-bearing relatives: mammals.

Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich, who was not involved in the study, said evidence of the sixth extinction is all around.

For years, he studied the bay checkerspot butterfly on Stanford's campus - but then, the butterfly disappeared from the campus, more than a decade ago.

And, when Ehrlich journeyed to Morocco to sample a different checkerspot species, he found no butterflies, just "sheep droppings and not one blade of grass".

Scientists say habitat destruction, global climate change, introducing invasive species, and population growth are contributing to losses.

"Those four things working in concert are kind of a perfect storm that's setting up a recipe for disaster," Barnosky said. "But people are the ones who are driving this extinction, so we can fix it."

In addition to prioritising species preservation, Ehrlich suggested starting with caps on human population growth and limiting resource consumption.

"We could do something about it, but I don't see that we have the slightest inclination to," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/next-mass-extinction-an-eyeblink-...


Scientists say habitat destruction, global climate change, introducing invasive species, and population growth are contributing to losses.


The Only Political Party taking these issues seriously, The Australian Greens.



So why are you opposed to Humanity's Survival?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

It's harder to kill cockroaches....
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

It's harder to kill cockroaches....




Opposed to Any Science that the Majority of Scientists Back?
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____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:29pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

It's harder to kill cockroaches....




Opposed to Any Science that the Majority of Scientists Back?


No, just reality.......Humans survived the last Ice Age using only Stone Age tools......so why, given all our current technology, do you believe we'd become extinct NOW????......An Ice Age is far worse than a Warm Period.....
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:43pm
 
Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.

A hungry tribe is a warring tribe ... now give this warring tribe, a fictional Book enemy and nuclear bombs.

Yes we did survive a bit of cold back in our past, yet there is no guarantee of surviving a nuclear winter. None, what so ever.

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Struth! Watch out!

Some clown will want a tax or levy to fix THIS, too.
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How can humanity be extinct within my lifetime?  I will still be alive, thus we won't be extinct will we?
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____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:43pm:
Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.

A hungry tribe is a warring tribe ... now give this warring tribe, a fictional Book enemy and nuclear bombs.

Yes we did survive a bit of cold back in our past, yet there is no guarantee of surviving a nuclear winter. None, what so ever.



No Greens.......a Glaciation is far worse than a warming....Under a Warm Period, there's lots more plant growth...'perhaps' some people will die (or they may not) in hotter zones.....BUT under a Glaciation, crops won't grow, even in temperate zones...so starvation is a far bigger problem than it would be under a warm period....

Let's face it...being able to grow grain crops in Alaska and Greenland is 'better' than NOT being able to grow grain crops in places like Nebraska and Ohio.....

A Glaciation would reduce our food production by 70%.....whereas a Warming would increase, or maintain ( ok, perhaps in different areas), our food production....
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Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.



YOU 'think'...you have NO proof that this would actually happen...

In fact, increasing Co2 will promote plant growth by a lot, rather than reduce it....Co2 is a plant FOOD.....
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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:43pm:
Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.

A hungry tribe is a warring tribe ... now give this warring tribe, a fictional Book enemy and nuclear bombs.

Yes we did survive a bit of cold back in our past, yet there is no guarantee of surviving a nuclear winter. None, what so ever.



No Greens.......a Glaciation is far worse than a warming....Under a Warm Period, there's lots more plant growth...'perhaps' some people will die (or they may not) in hotter zones.....BUT under a Glaciation, crops won't grow, even in temperate zones...so starvation is a far bigger problem than it would be under a warm period....

Let's face it...being able to grow grain crops in Alaska and Greenland is 'better' than NOT being able to grow grain crops in places like Nebraska and Ohio.....

A Glaciation would reduce our food production by 70%.....whereas a Warming would increase, or maintain ( ok, perhaps in different areas), our food production....



A world wide nuclear winter is not warming.

A nuclear winter will block the sun from earth's surface for months / years ?


We are on the precipice of either a global warming revolution or a nuclear war. If we don't have this green revolution, we face a mass extinction on top of a nuclear winter.  
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Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:17pm
 
Kat wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
Struth! Watch out!

Some clown will want a tax or levy to fix THIS, too.




Why, since we know the culprit, Uranium. Why tax it when we can phase it out.

Lets hope Labor doesn't side with the Liberals and want to export to everyone including India. Labor wants nuclear discussed at it's next conference alongside more mines and a nuke dump in Australia.

Only Party opposing a nuclear war is The Greens.
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____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:43pm:
Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.

A hungry tribe is a warring tribe ... now give this warring tribe, a fictional Book enemy and nuclear bombs.

Yes we did survive a bit of cold back in our past, yet there is no guarantee of surviving a nuclear winter. None, what so ever.



No Greens.......a Glaciation is far worse than a warming....Under a Warm Period, there's lots more plant growth...'perhaps' some people will die (or they may not) in hotter zones.....BUT under a Glaciation, crops won't grow, even in temperate zones...so starvation is a far bigger problem than it would be under a warm period....

Let's face it...being able to grow grain crops in Alaska and Greenland is 'better' than NOT being able to grow grain crops in places like Nebraska and Ohio.....

A Glaciation would reduce our food production by 70%.....whereas a Warming would increase, or maintain ( ok, perhaps in different areas), our food production....



A world wide nuclear winter is not warming.

A nuclear winter will block the sun from earth's surface for months / years ?


We are on the precipice of either a global warming revolution or a nuclear war. If we don't have this green revolution, we face a mass extinction on top of a nuclear winter.  


Yes, a nuclear winter or a Glaciation are BOTH cooling events....neither of which are global warming events....so you are STILL wrong in stating that Global Warming will cause extinction....

Nyah Nyah Nyah...
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Reply #12 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:21pm
 
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:17pm:
Kat wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
Struth! Watch out!

Some clown will want a tax or levy to fix THIS, too.




Why, since we know the culprit, Uranium. Why tax it when we can phase it out.

Lets hope Labor doesn't side with the Liberals and want to export to everyone including India. Labor wants nuclear discussed at it's next conference alongside more mines and a nuke dump in Australia.

Only Party opposing a nuclear war is The Greens.



yes, and I'm sure a nuclear war is very much the end goal of the other parties isn't it?

Are greens also the only party opposing an asteroid colliding with the earth?
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Reply #13 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:35pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:20pm:
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:43pm:
Increase CO2 in the atmosphere to 440 ppm and we are playing with a collapse of world agriculture, so starvation.

A hungry tribe is a warring tribe ... now give this warring tribe, a fictional Book enemy and nuclear bombs.

Yes we did survive a bit of cold back in our past, yet there is no guarantee of surviving a nuclear winter. None, what so ever.



No Greens.......a Glaciation is far worse than a warming....Under a Warm Period, there's lots more plant growth...'perhaps' some people will die (or they may not) in hotter zones.....BUT under a Glaciation, crops won't grow, even in temperate zones...so starvation is a far bigger problem than it would be under a warm period....

Let's face it...being able to grow grain crops in Alaska and Greenland is 'better' than NOT being able to grow grain crops in places like Nebraska and Ohio.....

A Glaciation would reduce our food production by 70%.....whereas a Warming would increase, or maintain ( ok, perhaps in different areas), our food production....



A world wide nuclear winter is not warming.

A nuclear winter will block the sun from earth's surface for months / years ?


We are on the precipice of either a global warming revolution or a nuclear war. If we don't have this green revolution, we face a mass extinction on top of a nuclear winter.  


Yes, a nuclear winter or a Glaciation are BOTH cooling events....neither of which are global warming events....so you are STILL wrong in stating that Global Warming will cause extinction....

Nyah Nyah Nyah...



It will since our carbon pollution has effected the climate already. There is enough proof for AGW to be ranked along side Gravity. Both Gravity and AGW are on the same level.

So who here opposes the theory of Gravity?
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Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:35pm
 
... wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:21pm:
____ wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:17pm:
Kat wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:
Struth! Watch out!

Some clown will want a tax or levy to fix THIS, too.




Why, since we know the culprit, Uranium. Why tax it when we can phase it out.

Lets hope Labor doesn't side with the Liberals and want to export to everyone including India. Labor wants nuclear discussed at it's next conference alongside more mines and a nuke dump in Australia.

Only Party opposing a nuclear war is The Greens.



yes, and I'm sure a nuclear war is very much the end goal of the other parties isn't it?

Are greens also the only party opposing an asteroid colliding with the earth?


Yes they are...If we have a 'carbon tax' that will ALSO stop asteriod collisions......Co2 'maigically' attracts meteor or asteriod collision....
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