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Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #30 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 5:14pm

A carbon tax is just the beginning and a much better option than Tony Abbott's policy of pouring billions of taxpayers dollars into the coffers of our biggest polluters.
The Coalitions policy will cost individual taxpayers whether they move to low carbon options or they stick with the big polluters.
A carbon tax gives you a choice, cut your use of carbon intensive goods and services and pay bugger all whereas Tony Abbotts stupid plan is a nonsense.
Only a rusted on Lib voter would support the coalitions embarrasing alternative to a carbon tax and the Greens/ Labor eventual market based solutions.

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Reply #31 - Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 9:55pm

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The Irish election results are in. The ruling Fianna Fail/Greens coalition lost spectacularly: Fine Gael won 76 seats; the Labour Party, 37; Fianna Fail, 20; Independents, 15; Sinn Fein, 14, and Others, 4. The Green Party won no seats.

The Greens had 6 seats and two ministries in the government. After pulling out of the coalition (ie spitting the dummy), they have no representation anywhere in parliament.

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Reply #32 - Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 10:04pm

____ wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

2010: Power plant CO2 emissions up 5.6% and hottest year on record. Coincidence?

According to a recently released report by The Environmental Integrity Project, carbon dioxide emissions from power plants in the U.S. rose by 5.56% in 2010 over the previous year — the biggest annual increase since 1995.

Using data gathered by the EPA, Environmental Integrity released this study that names the top 10 offenders. Florida’s power plants rank second, right after Texas, having emitted 130,324,532 tons of CO2 in 2010, an increase from the 119,960,137 tons emitted in 2009.

Not surprising is the fact that 2010 was also the warmest year on record (having tied with 2005) and that nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000. CO2 is a greenhouse gas which has been linked to global warming, so is it just a coincidence that the hottest year on record occurred when our carbon emissions rose?

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2011/02/24/2010-power-plant-co2-emiss...

I wonder if that's production ramping up again after the worst global financial crisis since The Great Depression.

I'd bet anything you own, which probably isn't much, the same data next year will see the same result.

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Reply #33 - Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 10:08pm

____ wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:36pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:31pm:

Gillard said it - she didn't expect the Greens to be in the saddle when she said no to carbon tax. But after the election, we have a parliament where the Greens are dictating the agenda to the Labor party. This is why Christine Milne, Brown's deputy, knows more about the shape of the coming carbon tax than Gillard or Combet.

This is due to the Polluting Party deciding to negate it's responsibility to their voters. By just nagging and offering nothing, you have allowed The Greens to attain a platform.

It is not Labor's fault Greens have so much influence, it is the Polluting Party's fault.

They'll meet the same fate as their Irish counterparts. Next the Senate spills the Greens will be hanging out with the democrats in political obscurity. The ALP will be there too pretty soon if Gillard doesn't lift her game.

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Reply #34 - Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 10:28pm

Soren wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 9:55pm:

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mqh52TTC0rU/TUrmnadsG9I/AAAAAAAADug/BmD-h3kBxGs/s1600/...

The Irish election results are in. The ruling Fianna Fail/Greens coalition lost spectacularly: Fine Gael won 76 seats; the Labour Party, 37; Fianna Fail, 20; Independents, 15; Sinn Fein, 14, and Others, 4. The Green Party won no seats.

The Greens had 6 seats and two ministries in the government. After pulling out of the coalition (ie spitting the dummy), they have no representation anywhere in parliament.

The message is clear to subversives - don't screw with our culture and try to enslave us with your ideologies because we will make you pay for it. Ireland is waking up from the shell shock of treason and subversion, just wait till they get angry about it.

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bridonta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 522	Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it Reply #35 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:26pm all i can see .. if the prices on energy and especially on food kept on rising .. those lab and Green will see the full impacts ..
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Reply #36 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:32pm

Of course a carbon dioxide tax wont fix any global warming, and thats if you believe in global warming.
If any a carbon dioxide tax will discourage addressing any global warming which will exacerbate the myth of global warming.

With the top 5 countries (USA, Japan, Russia, China & India) emitting 60% and not imposing any carbon dioxide tax and Australia a poultry 1.3% then is anyone that dumb to believe that Australia can do anything about the supposed global warming?
And those that dont believe that petrol and livestock costs will increase under GiLIARds carbon dioxide tax the consider this, of australias 1.3% the main compnenets for that are transport (petrol) which is 11% and livestock.
So to even remotely have a chance to reduce Australias 1.3% then we must stop all transport, and kill all livestock.

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Reply #37 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:12pm

"There's other ways of giving people a break which is equal and equivalent," Senator Brown told ABC Television.

"Our job is to make sure the average punter, the average Australian, the battler, is protected while we go to the polluters and say, 'You have to pay for the damage you're causing to Australia's security, to its environment, more importantly to its future economic well-being."

Then WHY is Bob Brown backing a Carbon Tax????

It seems to go against his idea of what the Greens job actually IS...

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it Reply #38 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:16pm I'm very worried for the middle to lower income families on one wage who can't support the conveyor belt of tax increases and cost of living pressures which life in Australia is delivering. I am very concerned for these people.
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Reply #39 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:22pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

Of course it won't fix it.

Australia contributes 1.2% of total world carbon emissions

Looney Greenies will tell you Aust emits more PER CAPITA

Who cares!! Regardless of the per capita numbers - it's still ONLY 1.2%

If we shut Australia down not - we would only reduce carbon emissions by 1.2%

Chinese and Indians produce more carbon in their farts in a fortnight than what Australians emit in a year

YOU SCARE PEOPLE WITH THE POWER OF YOUR ARGUMENTS, I HOPE YOU KNOW! Grin

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Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #40 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:25pm

frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

Of course a carbon dioxide tax wont fix any global warming, and thats if you believe in global warming.
If any a carbon dioxide tax will discourage addressing any global warming which will exacerbate the myth of global warming.

With the top 5 countries (USA, Japan, Russia, China & India) emitting 60% and not imposing any carbon dioxide tax and Australia a poultry 1.3% then is anyone that dumb to believe that Australia can do anything about the supposed global warming?
And those that dont believe that petrol and livestock costs will increase under GiLIARds carbon dioxide tax the consider this, of australias 1.3% the main compnenets for that are transport (petrol) which is 11% and livestock.
So to even remotely have a chance to reduce Australias 1.3% then we must stop all transport, and kill all livestock.

TONY ABBOTT HIMSELF WILL NOT ARGUE AGAINST THE NEED TO REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS: EXACTLY HOW MANY TIMES DO THE TRYHARDS NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THIS? Embarrassed

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #42 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:28pm

many expect to be spoon fed and do not believe they have any responsibility to seek information for themselves. I question the ability of people to learn anything, if they take three word slogans as the main source of information.

just wanted to take the debate off what does the carbon price take away from me back to what does a carbon price do for me.

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Reply #43 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:47pm

When I hear the absolute drivel coming from the assorted nuts section that makes up the denialist lobby, I have to wonder how sad a bunch of gits they actually are.

If the argument of Australia's size is their primary measure of worth, then we should probably not bother with lots of things.

There argument appears to be that anything we cannot achieve independently of other nations, should be abandoned.
The concept of being a part of a wider global community insults their insular, ultra nationalist prejudices.

There are not actually that many of these nuts out in the broader community, so maybe we can make a little reservation for them somewhere, and wall them in, and they can pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist, a bit like catholics do in heaven.

Normal people on the other hand, can recognise the worth of doing the right thing, because it is the right thing.
They can also appreciate the value of being a part of the broader international community, and taking responsibility for trying to carry our share of the load in the challenges that lie ahead due to the onset of climate change.
They can also understand how countries that have far lower living standards, and far lower per capita emissions, would rightly question why they should be asked to comply with Carbon targets, when richer, established economies ignore them?

The politically correct thing is to give these denialists the benefit of the doubt, as having been won over by some spurious argument that conned them into taking the downright bunkum and lies seriously, but I just cannot do that anymore, because the clowns just keep repeating the same garbage over and over, and refuse to listen to anything not authored by the loony lord, or the ever pliant plimer, loathesome lads one and all.
So, I give up being tolerant of the obstinate idiocy, they are either morons, or arseholes, and usually both, and their moronic arseholery has gone too far, come the revolution, they will definitely be the first to go.
I will build a big magnifying glass and they can explain how the earth is cooling as they wait for the sun to rise.

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Reply #44 - Mar 4^th, 2011 at 2:53pm

Mozza unless other countries infinitely more significant than Australia act, then this is all pissing in the wind and tying one hand behind Australian businesses back for no reason.

You'd have competitors able to manufacture overseas at will at a cheaper cost than Australian businesses.

You'd have Australian families facing increased cost of living for no reason.

Yet meanwhile in the USA we are paying 50% of the cost you do for petrol and driving around in big cars. Mine is 5L and my wife's is 4.5L alone.

Go figure.

Tell me again what a great thing it is for Australia.....

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