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Reply #15 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:31pm:
Gillard said it - she didn't expect the Greens to be in the saddle when she said no to carbon tax. But after the election, we have a parliament where the Greens are dictating the agenda to the Labor party. This is why Christine Milne, Brown's deputy, knows more about the shape of the coming carbon tax than Gillard or Combet.




This is due to the Polluting Party deciding to negate it's responsibility to their voters. By just nagging and offering nothing, you have allowed The Greens to attain a platform.

It is not Labor's fault Greens have so much influence, it is the Polluting Party's fault.
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Reply #16 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:34pm:
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:30pm:
2010: Power plant CO2 emissions up 5.6% and hottest year on record. Coincidence?



According to a recently released report by The Environmental Integrity Project, carbon dioxide emissions from power plants in the U.S. rose by 5.56% in 2010 over the previous year — the biggest annual increase since 1995.

Using data gathered by the EPA, Environmental Integrity released this study that names the top 10 offenders. Florida’s power plants rank second, right after Texas, having emitted 130,324,532 tons of CO2 in 2010, an increase from the 119,960,137 tons emitted in 2009.

Not surprising is the fact that 2010 was also the warmest year on record (having tied with 2005) and that nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000. CO2 is a greenhouse gas which has been linked to global warming, so is it just a coincidence that the hottest year on record occurred when our carbon emissions rose?


[url]http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2011/02/24/2010-power-plant-co2-emissions-up-5-6-and-hottest-year-on-record-coincidence/[/url]



Source: Creative Loafing. Some unemployable environmental studies graduate blogging from his room in his parent's house.




Well supporters of the Polluting Party seem to have a phobia of science ... with a blog link I thought your lot would at least read it.



http://planetsave.com/2011/02/18/record-melting-in-greenland-during-2010/

2010 was an exceptional year for Greenland’s ice cap. Melting started early and stretched later in the year than usual. Little snow fell to replenish the losses. By the end of the season, much of southern Greenland had set a new record, with melting that lasted 50 days longer than average.
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Reply #17 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:50pm
 
Not to mention exceptional snowfalls across the northern hemisphere. But of course it is always AGW, hot or cold, unless it's 'nice' weather across the whole planet.
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Reply #18 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:52pm
 
How extreme weather could create a global food crisis
KARACHI (updated on: 2011-02-05 15:41:30 PST):

United States National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration reported that 2010 tied 2005 for the hottest year on record – and was the wettest year on record. This is no coincidence.

As Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis of National Centre for Atmospheric Research, explained:

There is a systematic influence on all of these weather events nowadays because there is more water vapour lurking around in atmosphere than there used to be, say, 30 years ago. It's about a 4% extra amount, provides plenty of moisture for these storms and it is unfortunate that public is not associating this with the fact that this is one manifestation of climate change. And prospects are that these kinds of things will only get worse in the future.

Globally, 2010 saw 19 nations – a record number – set temperature records including Pakistan, which hit 53.5C, the hottest temperature ever reliably measured in Asia's history. From mid-December to mid-

January of this year, National Centre for Atmospheric research NCAR reported that parts of north-eastern Canada were 21C above average, "which are very large values to be sustained for an entire month." In mid-December, Greenland experienced the most extreme high-pressure system of its kind ever recorded anywhere on the planet. Last year saw the greatest ice melt on record for Greenland.

Moscow heat wave this summer was so severe that Russian Meteorological Centre reported: "There was nothing similar to this on the territory of Russia during the last 1,000 years in regard to the heat." The country banned grain exports through this year's growing season.

Pakistan was inundated by a deluge that seemed beyond imagination – until an area the size of Germany & France combined was inundated by “biblical” floods in Australia.

In Carnarvon, more than a year's rain fell in just 24 hours.

Australian Bureau of Meteorology in its annual report for 2010 pointed out: Very warm sea surface temperatures contributed to record rainfall and very high humidity across eastern Australia during winter and spring. Most recent decade (2001-10) was also warmest decade on record for sea surface temperatures following the pattern observed over land.

In January, more than 300mm fell in just a few hours in many regions of Brazil, causing their deadliest natural disaster in history. Again, a key contributor was second warmest sea surface temperatures on record for the moisture source region.

Individually, these climate-driven extreme events were disasters, but collectively they contributed to a global food crisis. Un food & Agriculture Organization's food price index, "a basket tracking wholesale cost of wheat, corn, rice, oilseeds, dairy products, sugar and meats" had jumped to a record high.

Lester Brown, a leading authority on food insecurity says when real food instability comes – if, for instance, the US or Chinese breadbasket gets hit by type of heat wave Russia just did – big grain producers will ban exports, to make sure their people are fed. In this scenario, if you don't have your own food supplies or an important export item to barter – particularly oil – your country is going to have big, big problems feeding its people.

World is entering an era of climate and food insecurity. The view that weather extremes are more frequent and intense due to global warming coincides with current state of scientific knowledge as set out in Fourth IPCC Assessment Report.

US top climatologist, Dr James Hansen, head of Nasa's Goddard Institute of Space Studies, said: Given the association of extreme weather and climate events with rising global temperature, expectation of new record high temperatures in 2012 also suggests that frequency and magnitude of extreme events could reach a high level in 2012. Extreme events include not only high temperatures, but also indirect effects of a warming atmosphere including impact of higher temperature on extreme rainfall and droughts. Greater water vapour content of a warmer atmosphere allows larger rainfall anomalies and provides fuel for stronger storms driven by latent heat.

Barring a major volcano, half the years this decade are likely to be warmer than 2010. That means wetter and more extreme weather. And that means more food insecurity. Russia's grain-export-ending heat wave and drought could be a once every decade event – or even more frequent. And that will collide with extreme events around the world. In 2010, the world received its first global warning, bombarded by multiple events that are considered extreme today, but what will eventually be viewed as the norm – if humanity fails to act.

http://www.brecorder.com/news/latest/18529:how-extreme-weather-could-create-a-gl...


Is that enough of the planet for you?
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Reply #19 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:54pm
 
Well, it looks like it's time for a tax to change the weather.

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Reply #20 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
Not to mention exceptional snowfalls across the northern hemisphere. But of course it is always AGW, hot or cold, unless it's 'nice' weather across the whole planet.


Do you guys just ignore the parts of quotes, articles, etc you don't like?
(rhetorical question)
AGW theory clearly expresses an increase in extreme weather events.
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Not just droughts or snowfalls or hurricanes/cyclones, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Would a record snowfall fall into that catorgory?
Would the record melting of the ice cap during the short summer months fall into that catorogy?
How about a record drought then record rainfall?

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Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #21 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:54pm:
Well, it looks like it's time for a tax to change the weather.





As Adam Bandt has said, a tax alone will not fix it.


We require interconnected policies like

-lifting the renewable energy target to 100%
-a feed in tariff
-energy efficiencies


A Carbon Price is just the beginning to shift Australia to a position of security.
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Reply #22 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:21pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
Not to mention exceptional snowfalls across the northern hemisphere. But of course it is always AGW, hot or cold, unless it's 'nice' weather across the whole planet.


Do you guys just ignore the parts of quotes, articles, etc you don't like?
(rhetorical question)
AGW theory clearly expresses an increase in extreme weather events.
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Not just droughts or snowfalls or hurricanes/cyclones, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Would a record snowfall fall into that catorgory?
Would the record melting of the ice cap during the short summer months fall into that catorogy?
How about a record drought then record rainfall?




That all-weather position is a new development. For a long time it was all Global Warming. When that proved to be obviously incorrect, the name was changed to climate change. That covers everything. CO2 being a greenhouse gas can now also cause global 'colding' and everything in between.

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Reply #23 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
Not to mention exceptional snowfalls across the northern hemisphere. But of course it is always AGW, hot or cold, unless it's 'nice' weather across the whole planet.


Do you guys just ignore the parts of quotes, articles, etc you don't like?
(rhetorical question)
AGW theory clearly expresses an increase in extreme weather events.
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Not just droughts or snowfalls or hurricanes/cyclones, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Would a record snowfall fall into that catorgory?
Would the record melting of the ice cap during the short summer months fall into that catorogy?
How about a record drought then record rainfall?




That all-weather position is a new development. For a long time it was all Global Warming. When that proved to be obviously incorrect, the name was changed to climate change. That covers everything. CO2 being a greenhouse gas can now also cause global 'colding' and everything in between.



I get the feeling your stirring the peasants up for a bit of fun.
That or you really do tune out to what you don't wish to hear.
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Reply #24 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:58pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:27pm:
Quote "The above is absolute, indisputable and documented FACT!!!"


Then can you supply a link



Here is the site you require. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_supporting_material.shtml. You will note that every report the IPCC has produced is here except for...yep you guessed it...the 2001 report is now misteriously missing from their site. Just like the Greens and Labor..pretend you didn't say it!!  Grin Need I say more? Probably not except Greenie...please read every report on that site...you need the education..obviously.
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Reply #25 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:07pm
 
Cmon Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:58pm:
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:27pm:
Quote "The above is absolute, indisputable and documented FACT!!!"


Then can you supply a link



Here is the site you require. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_supporting_material.shtml. You will note that every report the IPCC has produced is here except for...yep you guessed it...the 2001 report is now misteriously missing from their site. Just like the Greens and Labor..pretend you didn't say it!!  Grin Need I say more? Probably not except Greenie...please read every report on that site...you need the education..obviously.


Why would you include a report that contians mistakes?
BTW the corruption and conspiracy theory you are alluding to has been proven false, yes I know the inquiry was rigged to, just as I believe the AWB one was.
I believe one of the best analogies I've heard is if you went to 10 doctors and 9 said you had cancer and 1 didn't would you ignore 9 and bet your life on the 1 telling you want you want to hear?
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Reply #26 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:18pm
 
Man Made Climate change is made up crap by mad scientists.  SmileyCool

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Reply #27 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:21pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:56pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
Not to mention exceptional snowfalls across the northern hemisphere. But of course it is always AGW, hot or cold, unless it's 'nice' weather across the whole planet.


Do you guys just ignore the parts of quotes, articles, etc you don't like?
(rhetorical question)
AGW theory clearly expresses an increase in extreme weather events.
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Not just droughts or snowfalls or hurricanes/cyclones, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
Would a record snowfall fall into that catorgory?
Would the record melting of the ice cap during the short summer months fall into that catorogy?
How about a record drought then record rainfall?




That all-weather position is a new development. For a long time it was all Global Warming. When that proved to be obviously incorrect, the name was changed to climate change. That covers everything. CO2 being a greenhouse gas can now also cause global 'colding' and everything in between.



I get the feeling your stirring the peasants up for a bit of fun.
That or you really do tune out to what you don't wish to hear.



Au contraire. Just pointing out what Nietzsche already said very well:
"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."


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Reply #28 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:55pm
 
now with angers from public .. those loonies Green are trying to put all the blames on the Juliar .. poor woman ..
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Reply #29 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 4:33pm
 
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just keep dreaming, you tree huggers are going to ruin the whole country with your myths.
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