Australian Politics Forum - Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it

Maqqa

Gold Member

Offline

14% - that low?!

Posts: 16000

Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/carbon-price-isnt-a-cure-all-greens-mp-adam-bandt/story-fn3dxity-1226013768611

GREENS MP Adam Bandt says the federal government is wrongly regarding a carbon tax as a cure-all for global warming.

Mr Bandt, the minor party's sole lower house MP, said a carbon price alone would not be enough to address climate change, arguing there needed to be a greater focus on renewable energy.

"A carbon price is not going to be a cure-all," the member for Melbourne told parliament tonight.

"I am less sanguine about the market than the members of the government who seem to believe it will be a cure-all."

Back to top

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #1 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:30pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/carbon-price-isnt-a-cure-all-greens-mp-adam-bandt/story-fn3dxity-1226013768611

GREENS MP Adam Bandt says the federal government is wrongly regarding a carbon tax as a cure-all for global warming.

Mr Bandt, the minor party's sole lower house MP, said a carbon price alone would not be enough to address climate change, arguing there needed to be a greater focus on renewable energy.

"A carbon price is not going to be a cure-all," the member for Melbourne told parliament tonight.

"I am less sanguine about the market than the members of the government who seem to believe it will be a cure-all."

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Back to top

IP Logged

Maqqa

Gold Member

Offline

14% - that low?!

Posts: 16000

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #2 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:32pm

Of course it won't fix it.

Australia contributes 1.2% of total world carbon emissions

Looney Greenies will tell you Aust emits more PER CAPITA

Who cares!! Regardless of the per capita numbers - it's still ONLY 1.2%

If we shut Australia down not - we would only reduce carbon emissions by 1.2%

Chinese and Indians produce more carbon in their farts in a fortnight than what Australians emit in a year

Back to top

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

IP Logged

Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it Reply #3 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:39pm Does anyone know the answer
Back to top	091855-11-02-28-bill-leak.jpg (65 KB \| 45 ) Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #4 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to the 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:59pm by Soren »

IP Logged

Equitist

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #5 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:51pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to th 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

Do try to keep both hands above the keyboard, Soren...

Back to top

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #6 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:02pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to th 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

Do try to keep both hands above the keyboard, Soren...

Witty and creative. How do you come up with original stuff like that, day in, day out?

Back to top

IP Logged

Equitist

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #7 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:14pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:02pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to th 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

Do try to keep both hands above the keyboard, Soren...

Witty and creative. How do you come up with original stuff like that, day in, day out?

ROFPMSL...you mean witty, creative and original like these!?

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:23pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 25^th, 2011 at 7:27am:

Did you gullible idiots really think I was going to keep my word?

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/11/17/1225955/220629-julia-gillard.jpg

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:26pm:

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:26pm:

____ wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:24pm:

Griff wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

I saw Brown on the TV tonite and he reckons there just gonna tax the big polluters and that will save the ordinary people from the tax. Does he really think the industries won't pass on the price rises to the rest of us ? He's not very smart

Coal, exported, how is the carbon tax from this get past on to Australian Households?

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

You know what, folks!?

The more I think about the bizarre developments of the past coupla days, the more it seems that: -

The Lib caucus have voted for Abbott's delusional 'plan' - to vow to fight (and repeal) the Gillard Govt's Carbon Price/Tax policy - in order to allow him to seal his own fate...

Action Man Abbo has gone into manic overdrive on this issue - as soon as he got a stronger-than-ever whiff of internal opposition over the racist antics of Morrison and himself in the wake of the Xmas Is boat tragedy and funerals...

Not only has he presumed to think and speak on behalf of the revolting people but he has obviously stopped listening to moderate pollies and seasoned political advisors...

Given the folly of opposing the NBN, Flood Levy and Carbon price, they're wise to cast him adrift and give him more than enough carbon and optic fibres to finish himself off...

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/carbon-price-isnt-a-cure-all-greens-mp-adam-bandt/story-fn3dxity-1226013768611

GREENS MP Adam Bandt says the federal government is wrongly regarding a carbon tax as a cure-all for global warming.

Mr Bandt, the minor party's sole lower house MP, said a carbon price alone would not be enough to address climate change, arguing there needed to be a greater focus on renewable energy.

"A carbon price is not going to be a cure-all," the member for Melbourne told parliament tonight.

"I am less sanguine about the market than the members of the government who seem to believe it will be a cure-all."

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Back to top

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!

IP Logged

Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it Reply #8 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:20pm Yeah, like that. Quotes. (it's those little markings: " ". They are called quotes. Strikes you as novel?)
Back to top	IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #9 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:21pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to the 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

its strange how this topic kind of goes hot and then cold then hot again..

I find that all very interesting to be honest in the early 2008 its was all a matter of PANIC if we dont do it now.. we will all fry by the year 2013..

it was push push even had good old Al Gore here getting paid god only knows what even though the world was about to end..he still put his hand out for the money and the BIG plane trip.lol.

then it was really on ruddy wanted to make a really big name for himself.. Copenhagen at all costs he was going to ram his ETS through before he went so he could storm in to the council waving his piece of paper....a bit like Neville Chamberlain. with his signed peace deal with Hitler..Peace in our Time...well we know what happened there dont we..

but back to Copenhagen..well a little hickup Abbott stymied Turnbull and the war was over rudd was left to go to Denmark with nothing but Wong.but he thought a BIG entourage a plane load would make up for all that though even though he forgot to ask the one person that was the real expert on global warming..never mind I am sure she didnt notice..huhum.

well he flopped badly over there in fact the whole show flopped badly not only did it snow them all in..lol..when he did get invited into a meeting of minds he was sat on the end between who knows and who cares!!!!...lol..photo shoots dont think there was any it was a farce a complete humiliating farce..

so it kind of died a silent death.

but know its a biggest moral challenge all over again... well for noiw.. wheres Penny btw?

Back to top

IP Logged

Cmon Aussie

New Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 8

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #10 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:21pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:39pm:

Does anyone know the answer

So, Juliar Gillard is insisting that global warming/climate change, call it what you will as long as you get to put a tax on it, is about to destroy our planet. Well, get this....

In 1975, we were warned of a looming new ice age. One solution put forward was to coat the North Pole with soot to absorb solar energy thus preventing the “ice age”.. hmmm, were the Greens around then? If Juliar was around then you can bet she would have TAXED the crap out of that too! The warmest year in the 20th century was 1934, which was followed by five of the coldest years in the century. 1998 was the 2nd warmest but temperatures have flattened since then. The IPCC report graph produced in 1991 showed a warm period from 900AD to 1300 AD followed by the Little Ice Age from 1300 to 1850. In 2001, shock horror!!, a new graph produced by the IPCC showed a flat line from 1000 to 1850 with a dramatic spike up after that.. totally ignoring the warm period and the little ice age. The IPCC scientist behind the bogus claim that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 admitted it was included purely to 'put political pressure on world leaders'.

The above is absolute, indisputable and documented FACT!!!

No thinking person is claiming that climate change is not occurring, it’s been occurring in one form or another for billions of years but guess what?... THE PLANET IS STILL HERE!!!!

Wakey, wakey people..IT’S A MONEY GRABBING, TAX RAISING SCAM!!!!!!

Back to top

IP Logged

____ Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it Reply #11 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:27pm Quote "The above is absolute, indisputable and documented FACT!!!" Then can you supply a link
Back to top	IP Logged

____

Moderator

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #12 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:30pm

2010: Power plant CO2 emissions up 5.6% and hottest year on record. Coincidence?

According to a recently released report by The Environmental Integrity Project, carbon dioxide emissions from power plants in the U.S. rose by 5.56% in 2010 over the previous year — the biggest annual increase since 1995.

Using data gathered by the EPA, Environmental Integrity released this study that names the top 10 offenders. Florida’s power plants rank second, right after Texas, having emitted 130,324,532 tons of CO2 in 2010, an increase from the 119,960,137 tons emitted in 2009.

Not surprising is the fact that 2010 was also the warmest year on record (having tied with 2005) and that nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000. CO2 is a greenhouse gas which has been linked to global warming, so is it just a coincidence that the hottest year on record occurred when our carbon emissions rose?

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2011/02/24/2010-power-plant-co2-emiss...

Back to top

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #13 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:31pm

Gillard said it - she didn't expect the Greens to be in the saddle when she said no to carbon tax. But after the election, we have a parliament where the Greens are dictating the agenda to the Labor party. This is why Christine Milne, Brown's deputy, knows more about the shape of the coming carbon tax than Gillard or Combet.

Back to top

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: Greens admit Carbon Tax won't fix it
Reply #14 - Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:34pm

____ wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

2010: Power plant CO2 emissions up 5.6% and hottest year on record. Coincidence?

According to a recently released report by The Environmental Integrity Project, carbon dioxide emissions from power plants in the U.S. rose by 5.56% in 2010 over the previous year — the biggest annual increase since 1995.

Using data gathered by the EPA, Environmental Integrity released this study that names the top 10 offenders. Florida’s power plants rank second, right after Texas, having emitted 130,324,532 tons of CO2 in 2010, an increase from the 119,960,137 tons emitted in 2009.

Not surprising is the fact that 2010 was also the warmest year on record (having tied with 2005) and that nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000. CO2 is a greenhouse gas which has been linked to global warming, so is it just a coincidence that the hottest year on record occurred when our carbon emissions rose?

[url]http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2011/02/24/2010-power-plant-co2-emissions-up-5-6-and-hottest-year-on-record-coincidence/[/url]

Source: Creative Loafing. Some unemployable environmental studies graduate blogging from his room in his parent's house.

Back to top

IP Logged