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« Created by: Bobby. on: Feb 27th, 2011 at 10:21am »

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Gillard explains why she lied (Read 7208 times)
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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #60 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 2:33am
 
Greens_lose wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 1:32am:
Labor have committed political suicide with the proposed introduction of a carbon-tax, (similar to Rudd and his ETS) this and the Greens wont be celebrated as that "little envro party keeping the leading two honest" in future, now they have regressed to the same corporate greed and grubbery as our leading party's.

Greens are merely a silent ALP facilitator/faction...a silent ALP coalition in the eyes of voters it seems, and devoted Labor voters blame the Greens for labor having lost it's way.....and devoted Greens blame Labor for having corrupted their once puritan little enviro party being lead by a nit-wit who will retire before next election anyway, if he's not assassinated or ousted before then.

Bob Brown knows in exchange for a carbon-price comes BHP being granted (bribed) with permission to expand their uranium mining operation's down at Olympic dam.  So, .... why has he allowed this to slip under the environmental radar?

Could it be they donated generously to Greens record high party donations last year, Bob doesn't feel at liberty of discussing, despite once claiming he was against corporate political donations back when he claimed to have genuine regard for the environment?

Pity, because I think both Labor and the Greens lost their way about 10 years before this even, well before the 2010 election.

They knew they had to join forces to overcome the Lib coalition, so both broke quite a few of their own party's core-promises and traditional values in order to win seats in the senate and gain an illegitimate minority government at all cost.

Greens aren't what they used to be and neither are Labor.

This is the resounding message I'm getting from the public, even when canvassing formerly safe-labor electorates such as the Blue Mountains.

Their key-supporters are quite disillusioned with both partys at present.

So, best brace yourself for the inevitable.

See...Labor were stuck between a rock and a hard-place...  without the greens they are nothing, and to keep them, they had to cave into a carbon-tax to keep them on-side, even if this means going against their own partys traditional core values....re- taking care of the working class which they have discarded.

Gillards confected Australian strine drawl wont appeal to the lay working-class  next time round.

They have woken up.

Sorry.


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OMG, these guys are really scared of the greens!

They cannot attack them without attacking themselves: HOW CURIOUS A CHOICE IT IS TO ATTACK THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO ATTACK THE GREENS!

LOL  Wink Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Undecided Cry Cry

THIS IS CURIOUS INDEED!  Wink
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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #61 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 3:24am
 
Scared of the Greens?

No, not at all, given it's become increasingly apparent over the past week or so Australians are not interested in this radical watermelon fringe-party being presided over by some idiot stoned with power and too arrogant to see he's committing political suicide, this and wrecking it for any new Green leader hopeful hoping to fill his shoes shortly, as his drug-induced dementia/psychosis is interfering with his capacity to remember what he says even, rendering him vulnerable to all sorts of media pot-shots. The man's embarrassing!
Time greedy pig-headed Bob stepped aside and gave someone else a crack. He said he was retiring before the last election, then changed his mind. Why?

Next he'll be preaching at Hill Song church, instructing greens voters to bop until the penny's drop... if he hasn't already, Bob Brown is a joke, a dangerous joke, but self-limiting none the less given he is in first stages of dementia.



Lets cast our minds back to this...

In August 2010, just prior to the election, Prime Minister Gillard stated to Channel 10 news "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,".These sentiments were also backed prior to the election by Wayne Swan, the treasurer and deputy Prime Minister, also in August 2010,  when he said..."Well, certainly what we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax from the Liberals in their advertising. We reject that.". Indeed!

Also, their anti-carbon tax slant seems to have been a long running stance by the Labor party as indicated by a statement made by Penny Wong, the then minister for Climate Change and Water, back in February 2008, "There is no point in imposing a carbon price domestically which results in emissions and production transferring internationally for no environmental gain,".
Furthermore,  various polls in Australia have shown the overwhelming majority of Australians are against the carbon tax, such as the 2GB poll that shows nearly 99% against the tax and the Herald Sun poll that shows over 85% against the tax.
Opposition leader Tony Abbott has called for an election over this issue, and fair enough!!!

On December 30 2010 in France, the a carbon-tax bill was blocked by the French Constitutional Council. It considered the bill included too many exceptions and said they were unconstitutional.

Many countries have come close to imposing this tax, though upon careful scrutiny, have baulked at the last moment, this and or have withdrawn the bill after implementing it due to social disadvantage.

Here, take a look...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

I think Gillard is playing Russian Roulette, this and will oppose it just in time to come up smelling like roses, will become "she who saved us from the radical Greens".... they haven't even set a price yet, it's just stupid old Bob Brown hasn't figured her out, this and thinks he's in with a chance.

I reckon she'll baulk and withdraw at the last minute...leaving Greens with the baby and looking even more stupid than they already do after having preferenced a labile Labor party prone to inaction, procrastination, stalwarting and breaking promises.

See, this will get Greens out of the loop, Gillards playing devils advocate and is using reverse psychology...the message to at least 80% of voters being, vote Labor, not Green or you will be slapped with a carbon tax.
Lol, she's crapping all over Bob Brown, but he's too conceited and drunk with power to realise.

Seriously, with 85% (at least) against a carbon-tax, how can this not spell the end of Bob Brown and his carbonic hash-pipe dreams?

....Gillards slipping Bob a length, and the silly old coot hasn't figured it out.

Look, I never had allot of time for Bob Brown, he was always a bit 'psychedelic'/'radical' for my tastes, but right now, I am feeling a little sorry for him, given he's about to feel Bill Shorten making an orifice  there wasn't one before.


Either a phoney Gillard-ALP government has cut it's losses and has decided to call it a day preparing the party for a future Labor leader (minus the Green factor)..who will make his grand entrance when Labor are in opposition, knowing they will finish up possibly before or at the next election, or she is planning a big surprise, this and will theatrically announce her unwillingness to support the Greens push for a carbon-tax after having received feedback off some review panel, this and will hang Bob Brown and the Greens out to dry.

If she is serious about winning the next election, she would not intentionally compromise her chances by caving into the Greens, which is why I'm undecided as to whether she's committing political suicide, knowing it's a killer, or is planning on snuffing the Greens to free-up the leadership for a future contender ie Shorten.







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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #62 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 3:30am
 
See, Bill Shorten wont want to share his celebrity presidential status with a Green co-op, so they have to do away with their lesser unwanted Green alliance first, in readiness for the election after next, by which stage, the Greens will be back to being that kooky little party only stoned kids, druggies, and arts students in dreadlocks vote for once more. Oh, and park-bench people!
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Bill wants a majority government, not a half-azzed minority government.

Gillards role is to make sure the slates clean for his grand entry.

it was nice knowing you Bob, even if you have difficulty recalling your own name these days in-between sun-downing. Roll Eyes



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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #63 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 3:52am
 
Bill Shorten is steering well clear of the Carbon-tax back-flip, someone should ask him if he supports a Carbon-tax ...I'll bet he declines to comment, this and weevils out of directly answering the question the media wont ask....and  pledges his loyal support for his party, disclaimer-  irrespective of their current leaders choice of slug policies, his personal differences & political MOA aside.

With Bill Shorten being assistant treasurer, and wanna-be future Labor president, perhaps we should record his current views on a carbon-tax, the tax that will be the straw that breaks the Labor camels back?

Either way they go, they are finished up ... if they don't back it, Greens wont preference them, (so will lose anyway) and if they do back it, the public wont vote for them next election.

Either way Labor are finished!

It's a double edged sword.

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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #64 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 4:36am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:24pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
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only you could ask such a stupid question.


That being the case, you will be able to link us to an abundance of sources, wot?


She said so herself, you dimwit.



Where did she admit to untruth? You being religious, longweekend, you should know what lying involves ....

So when a labor pollie changes course ("backflips") it's a lie, but when a coalition PM does the same, it's OK (ref the PM who we are not allowed to compare this to).

Or a party leader who freely admits that you can't believe him unless he puts it in writing (and perhaps not even then).
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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #65 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 5:50am
 
Labor are in stalemate, so pack-up and go home.

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Reply #66 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:50am
 
Dear Ms J Gillard,


Not only did most people in Australia not vote for a carbon tax. They also did not vote for your Government either.

It would be in everyone's interests if you put this to the people as opposed to going against everything you said before in an attempt to be elected.

With kind Regards

Mr A. Hicks
La Jolla, CA 92038.
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Re: Gillard explains why she lied
Reply #67 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 12:37pm
 

Dear Mz Juliar,

lying cheating badhair money wasting bigassed backstabber.


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Reply #68 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 12:50pm
 
Very adult.
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Reply #69 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 7:29pm
 
Greens Lose is mellie.  There it is, the dead give-a-way.....just look at the posts and observe the phrase........this and.

If you doubt me, have a look at posts she made under the mellie nick.  You will see they are riddled with 'this and.'

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