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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian racism Reply #15 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 9:42pm What to feed them and how to kill them - feeding chooks hormones and cutting the throats of cattle - is not the same thing, or the same argument - you shouldn't need me to point this out to you.
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HC Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 165	Re: Australian racism Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:05pm I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian racism Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:47pm I'd sooner go on a cruise....
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HC Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 165	Re: Australian racism Reply #18 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 12:27am Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:47pm: I'd sooner go on a cruise.... Fair call....LOL.
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Reply #19 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:42am

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 9:42pm:

What to feed them and how to kill them - feeding chooks hormones and cutting the throats of cattle - is not the same thing, or the same argument - you shouldn't need me to point this out to you.

The argument is about a brutal sense of disregard and contempt for the well being of animals. It's not restructed to one culture.

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

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Reply #20 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 10:06am

HC wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:05pm:

I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood.

Well, it's not at all slow, and since the brain can't function, thus can't feel pain without blood to supply it...

I'd suggest the bolt is no more humane, but it is a bit cleaner, and THAT is the reason slaughterhouses use them.

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Reply #21 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:42am:

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

You are only partially correct helian.

Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to.

The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds.

Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly.

Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs.

This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion.

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Reply #22 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 1:30pm

salad in wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

You're kidding right? A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!

So when do all meat processing plants plan to switch over to this humane way of killing animals?

LOL the reason they haven't isn't due to it being INhumane....it's due to economic reasons.....the 'slit throat and exsanguination' method is SLOWER, so less animals can be processed per shift than by the 'bolt to the head and cut em up while the heart's still beating' method that non-halal requires...

My father grew up on a farm, and the method farmers use to kill 'house meat' is the slit throat and bleed out type......the only difference to Halal is no prayers and who care which way the beast is facing....I know this because I watched him do it in a suburban backyard..

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Australian racism Reply #23 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 1:34pm HC wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:05pm: I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood. HC, if the windpipe is cut, then it's NOT halal....it's only the jugular that gets cut, and the knife is resharpened between each use....
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Reply #24 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

salad in wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

You're kidding right? A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!

So when do all meat processing plants plan to switch over to this humane way of killing animals?

LOL the reason they haven't isn't due to it being INhumane....it's due to economic reasons.....the 'slit throat and exsanguination' method is SLOWER, so less animals can be processed per shift than by the 'bolt to the head and cut em up while the heart's still beating' method that non-halal requires...

My father grew up on a farm, and the method farmers use to kill 'house meat' is the slit throat and bleed out type......the only difference to Halal is no prayers and who care which way the beast is facing....I know this because I watched him do it in a suburban backyard..

Quite a few, if not most abbatoirs in Australia have been slaughtering at least some animals by halal methods for the last 20 years plus. A friend of mine told me of an abbatoir owned by a Muslim businessman that still slaughtered pigs. In the end, what matters is the moolah. Money is king.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Australian racism Reply #25 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 9:49pm Yeah, the only REAL difference is Halal/Kosher requires NO blood to be left in the body...
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Reply #26 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 10:14pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:42am:

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

You are only partially correct helian.

Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to.

The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds.

Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly.

Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs.

This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion.

On more than one occasion? What does that mean? On two occasions? Or just something to say to make it sound real?

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Dragon Man New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2	Re: Australian racism Reply #27 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 12:58am nothing is truly real unless you believe
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Reply #28 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 5:58am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 10:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:42am:

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

You are only partially correct helian.

Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to.

The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds.

Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly.

Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs.

This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion.

On more than one occasion? What does that mean? On two occasions? Or just something to say to make it sound real?

Do you really need exact figuresto make itr seem real to you.

I was there at one particular abatoir for a couple of weeks and observed the slaughter of a few hundred animals in that period.

What the hell go to one yourself and have a look, rather than listening to your friends or even my account of what goes on.

Not really worth the beligerence from you to 'prove' my case. Angry

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Australian racism Reply #29 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 12:26pm Dragon Man wrote on Feb 25^th, 2011 at 12:58am: nothing is truly real unless you believe Thank you sage. Go in peace.
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