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Reply #45 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 5:40am
 
http://www.theage.com.au/national/whale-poo-makes-the-ocean-more-productive-2011...

Whale poo makes the ocean more productive


IF A whale breaks wind in the Southern Ocean and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

This philosophical riddle could have been contemplated by Australian scientists while they collected whale waste as part of a study to determine if it could help ''fertilise'' the ocean and make it more productive.

Scientists from the Australian Antarctic Division, based in Hobart, have been testing the hypothesis that enormous amounts of iron excreted by whales is similar to liquid manure.
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This fertiliser helps phytoplankton grow, which in turn helps support a wide number of marine species including those eaten by humans.

Whales take the iron into their systems by eating massive quantities of krill, a shrimp-like crustacean. But because whales produce blubber rather than muscle, they don't need iron in their diet - so it passes out in their excrement.

In the days before industrial whaling there were millions of the mammals in the waters around Antarctica in the summer providing the iron to keep the ecosystem productive.

But molecular biologist Simon Jarman, with the Australian Antarctic Division, said now that whale populations had dropped to levels of just 2 to 3 per cent of former numbers, there was not enough iron in the Southern Ocean.

''Removing whales from the ecosystem has probably made the whole ecosystem less productive,'' Dr Jarman said.

''We know there used to be a lot more fish.''

To test their theories the scientists had to find areas where whales were feeding, and then be ready with a fine mesh net to scoop up the faeces.

''They will defecate eventually,'' Dr Jarman said.

''You can notice it fairly easily, it's a big event.

''It could be as much as half a tonne in one go, but no one has ever been actually able to measure it.''

''It floats on the surface for a little while, but you have to get it as quickly as you can before it sinks.''





So the Japanese are decreasing the quality of the ocean fishery further, destroying Australian livelihoods, and increasing food prices by decreasing fish stocks.

Time to stop whaling so we can increase the health of the oceans.
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Reply #46 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 8:05am
 
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What about all the fish they eat? Does that make the ocean more productive?

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''It floats on the surface for a little while, but you have to get it as quickly as you can before it sinks.''


Hmm. So they filter the iron out of the ecosystem and send it to the bottom of the ocean? Great.
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Reply #47 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 11:11am
 
I heard something about this on the radio a while ago.
Did you know that humpbacks are carbon neutral?

Every organism has a give take relationship with its environment. Un-amazing.
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Reply #48 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 9:39am
 
jame-e wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 11:36pm:
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 10:55pm:
I think Politics ...Australian Politics is trying to hamper and sabotage any progress undertaken by Conservationists on behalf of the Whales.


What about the big lump of cow i just had for dinner? Why are whales any different?

I like cows, i have met a few and they were cool. I like how they give you that big dumb stare, i also like how they taste.
If the Japanese want to eat whale blubber, why can't that be managed? Peacefully and frankly influenced over time till the practice ceases.  

Whats amazing is that its the greeny whale hugging humanists up in arms about this yet they fail to be touched by the HUMANS at the other end.

Arrogant, militant totalitarianism should not be tolerated.


Good point, would we change anything if the Hindu's took issue with us eating their sacred animal, the cow?
Would we change anything if the Japanese took issue with our slaughter of the Kangaroo, an animal which is represented on our Nations Coat of Arms?
What nation eats the animal on their Coat of Arms.
I've never heard of the Yanks having Bald Eagle Pie, or the Poms having Lion Stew.
What if the Japanese took issue with 'Pigging', a ritual where drunken young Aussie males go bush with their mates and their savage dogs to see these wild pigs being ripped apart, or the dogs mangled by the boars tusks fighting for it's life.
These Greenies are a bit too selective and hypocritical for my liking.
And if it's 'our' Antartic Waters, how come it's still not been recognised by a few countries including Japan.
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Reply #49 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:24am
 
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It may sound absurd, but we only just managed to get California to repeal it's ban on kangaroo products (initially adopted because some idiot senators wife heard that kangaroos were endangered). The parallels with the whaling debate are pretty obvious. Hypocrisy goes both ways.
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Reply #50 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:47am
 
And a sensible, rational view -



GREENPEACE STATEMENT, DEC 17 2008

Paul Watson has made many public requests for Greenpeace to reveal the location of the whaling fleet or otherwise cooperate with Sea Shepherd in the Southern Ocean when the ships of both organizations have been there simultaneously.

We passionately want to stop whaling, and will do so peacefully. That's why we won't help Sea Shepherd. Greenpeace is committed to non-violence and we'll never, ever, change that; not for anything.

If we helped Sea Shepherd to find the whaling fleet we'd be responsible for anything they did having got that information, and history shows that they've used violence in the past, in the most dangerous seas on Earth. For us, non-violence is a non-negotiable, precious principle. Greenpeace will continue to act to defend the whales, but will never attack or endanger the whalers.

We differ with Paul Watson on what constitutes violence. He states that nobody has ever been harmed by a Sea Shepherd action.  But the test of non-violence is the nature of your action, not whether harm results or not.  There are many acts of violence -- for example, holding a gun to someone's head -- which result in no harm.  That doesn't change their nature. We believe that throwing butryic acid at the whalers, dropping cables to foul their props, and threatening to ram them in the freezing waters of the Antarctic constitutes violence because of the potential consequences. The fact that the consequences have not been realized is irrelevant.

In addition to being morally wrong, we believe the use of violence in protection of whales to be a tactical error. If there's one way to harden Japanese public opinion and ensure whaling continues, it's to use violent tactics against their fleet. It's wrong because it puts human lives at risk, and it's wrong because it makes the whalers stronger in Japan.


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Reply #51 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:57am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:24am:
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Would we change anything if the Japanese took issue with our slaughter of the Kangaroo


It may sound absurd, .



Should have stopped there - Yes it is.
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Reply #52 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:59am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:57am:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:24am:
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Would we change anything if the Japanese took issue with our slaughter of the Kangaroo


It may sound absurd, .



Should have stopped there - Yes it is.


"Iceland will not be taking lectures on our historical and cultural fishing from a country that shoots kangaroos from helicopters"

Einar K Gudfinnsson
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Reply #53 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:12am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:57am:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:24am:
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Would we change anything if the Japanese took issue with our slaughter of the Kangaroo


It may sound absurd, .



Should have stopped there - Yes it is.


"Iceland will not be taking lectures on our historical and cultural fishing from a country that shoots kangaroos from helicopters"

Einar K Gudfinnsson
Minister of Fisheries


Exactly my point.
Horses for courses.
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Reply #54 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:17am
 
main courses?
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Reply #55 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:18am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:17am:
main courses?


Horses do'vers actually.
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Reply #56 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:20am
 
Ah, 'meat' pies.
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Reply #57 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 11:59am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:57am:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2011 at 10:24am:
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Would we change anything if the Japanese took issue with our slaughter of the Kangaroo


It may sound absurd, .



Should have stopped there - Yes it is.


"Iceland will not be taking lectures on our historical and cultural fishing from a country that shoots kangaroos from helicopters"

Einar K Gudfinnsson
Minister of Fisheries



How many whales do they take from the southern whale sanctuary or Australian waters?

cultural fishing is allowed - even for Japan but the problem is that they never had a history of rowing to Antarctica, there was a sufficient catch in their waters at one time.

Something unexplained happened to it - maybe a meteor hit the north pacific or Japan sea and killed all the whales in that region. Coincidentally it happened a decade or two after the Japanese started to seriously commercially fish for whales in the area.

It was just rotten luck hey.
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Reply #58 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 12:13pm
 
If they are Australian waters, why are we powerless to stop people from killing them?

I wouldnt let the local Chinese cook come into my back yard to get my cat for this weeks dim sim mix.
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Reply #59 - Jan 11th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
They are in waters we claim to own, but in reality (ie international law) do not own.
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