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Reply #60 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:05am

Emma wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 11:21pm:

Did you know-

- that all you folk saying 'keep it illegal, pot smokers are all a-h's and ratbags -- tough poo " .... are actually actively supporting massive funding for criminals, here and overseas, and terrorists,..... as a certainty.???

Do you consider or care about the far reaching consequences of your mindless mouthing of the status quo? Or perhaps you rub your hands in approval and satisfaction when you hear about a local , or national alleged 'successful' police operation against drugs.!?

(incidentally - the comments labelled - 'from anecdotal evidence..' are such BS.) Who are they trying to convince? Of what?

So - Illegal drugs provide FUNDs- ie. $ - you know???? MONEY.

Funds that are far beyond the reach of any individual country or organisation undertaking this War on Drugs (WOD), Funds which enable and arm terrorism, and organised crime, to reap all the benefits of the premium put on 'illicit' drugs.

Such FOOLS are we.!!

Did you realise that you -
Are supporting a divisive policy which breaks up our society into opposing groups who essentially have NO understanding of each other?
But who continue to insist on their unimpeachable opinion.!!

And a policy that creates a sub-strata of people to whom prohibitionist legislation is applied, so that they are persecuted, hated, jailed and removed from polite people's sight. Pre- Victorian era stuff!!

Did you know? you are totally unconcerned at the corruption of police, - federal, state, and local, and the outcomes of same.?
Perhaps I should give yous a credit - maybe you are just part of THE IGNORANT!.

Who me??? yes you. We all live in this country, and this sick policy continues. Angry

Some good points there. I've always been of the opinion that the drug dealers are the ones who need to be exposed to the full force of justice, and drug users should be treated as victims/patients.

While it's true that illegal marijuana cultivation in this country is funding organised crime on a massive scale, the question is - would legalising the drug and distributing it through proper means have any effect on that illegal process?

Well, the problem is the fact that it's a gateway drug, and people who try marijuana are more likely to try harder drugs. Now if you want to legalise these harder drugs too, it becomes a never ending spiral. Society will die from the inside out.

The experience in those parts of the world that tolerate marijuana has not been good. In Alaska, teen use of marijuana tripled when it was made legal.

In Colorado, Medical Marijuana is legal. The results of that experiment are not exactly encouraging either:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/36179402/

The question is - do we want to encourage the increased use of marijuana - a substance that has been shown to cause more harm in society than good through reduced productivity, brain damage, increased accident rates and increased crime? - because total legalisation will do exactly that. In the end it will cost society.

Maybe it would temporarily reduce revenues for organised crime, but not for long - it would provide a much more relaxed and amenable market for harder drugs in the long run. From there on in, it's a continuously downhill spiral from a position of relative civilisation, with zombie-like politicians in the pockets of organised criminals passing all kinds of harmful legislation.

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Reply #61 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 6:42pm

The question is - do we want to encourage the increased use of marijuana - a substance that has been shown to cause more harm in society than good through reduced productivity, brain damage, increased accident rates and increased crime? - because total legalisation will do exactly that. In the end it will cost society.

Maybe it would temporarily reduce revenues for organised crime, but not for long - it would provide a much more relaxed and amenable market for harder drugs in the long run. From there on in, it's a continuously downhill spiral from a position of relative civilisation, with zombie-like politicians in the pockets of organised criminals passing all kinds of harmful legislation.

- Muso

Somebody frame this post please. It makes a hell of a lot of sense!

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #62 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:38am Somebody- please Burn this Shite.!!!!! Methinks Muso is laughing at you.
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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #63 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:52am I think drinking has more problems associated with it than does dope smoking.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #64 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 2:22am Yes Sappho I agree - in all fields but one. LAW.
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Reply #65 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 2:36am

Emma wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 2:22am:

Yes Sappho I agree - in all fields but one.
LAW. Sad

A quite amazing study has come out of Europe recently on the affects to health of drinking... and we are not talking about alcohol abuse here... it shows quite clearly that alcohol is a health issue associated with causing cancer as much as it is a social issue causing increased street and family violence.

I think we need plan labels, health and social warnings, and increased taxes and liqueur licensing fees to discourage people from drinking.

Oh wait... they might turn to dope as a cheaper, mind altering alternative... scrap that.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #66 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:02pm Sappho wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:52am: I think drinking has more problems associated with it than does dope smoking. Yes, because more people drink than smoke dope. It may well be a question of everything in moderation.
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Reply #67 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 3:03pm

Thealexman. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:10pm:

Marijuana is the best drug to cure anxiety and depression it has no side effects other than a dry mouth and and a slightly increased heart rate. Studies have also shown that it helps chemotherapy patients recover quicker and studies also show that it can actually kill cancer cells. The stereotype that people who smoke Marijuana have is completely wrong, we don't sit around and do nothing, our minds don't change for the worse. I am a student and I've been a heavy smoker for just over a year and I'm an A student, I get the odd B in English.
Marijuana kills less people a year than alcohol does with zero Marijuana related deaths and 3000 alcohol related. Why aren't smokes illegal? Thousands, no hundreds of thousands of people have died because of smoking cigarettes but they are legal. In California where only medicinal cannabis is legal the government there make 4 billion a year. If Marijuana was legal and cigarettes were banned less people would die of cancer and less people would die on the road because everyone would be going at 45kmph and nobody would get fines. LEGALISE CANNABIS IT DOES NO HARM.

Why is it that some people insist on coming in here whilst tripping?

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Reply #68 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 3:34pm

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Well, the problem is the fact that it's a gateway drug, and people who try marijuana are more likely to try harder drugs. Now if you want to legalise these harder drugs too, it becomes a never ending spiral. Society will die from the inside out.

This reasoning is bogus on a couple of levels.
1. Those who try marijuana would have tried alcohol first. The real 'gateway' drug, if there is such a thing, is alcohol.
2. If people who use marijuana are more likely to try other drugs, this is due to the legality of the substance, rather than any inherent property of the substance itself. If someone is dealing in, or buying 1 illegal substance, they often branch out into others. So when you go and buy your tinny, and your dealer also has speed on offer, the opportunity is there to try it. But, if it's not illegal, you wouldn't get the same exposure to other substances. You don't go to the bottle store to buy weed do you?

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Reply #69 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:00pm

Well said Mr Pipes!

Why is it so hard for them to understand what you have said.?
Its so obvious that making it illegal results in harm - the logic escapes me for blaming Pot for all other illicit drug use.
Thats the way it's been set up - to produce untraceable massive $$$$ - so Pot isn't enough on its own, much better to direct people on to addictive substances.
Why are people so blind to the truth. Propaganda, Profit.

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Reply #70 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 1:03am

Well said Muso.

I quit the Medical Industry here in Australia as it is so pathetic and unorthodox, let alone so socially stunted about having 'male' Nurses that weren't Gay. Junkies and Religious nuts have more say than Medical Staff about how to deal with drugs. Roll Eyes

Without a doubt, Pot will be made legal and losers like Jalane will have the last laugh ...like Smeagol/Gollum getting his hands upon his "preciousssss" finally.

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Reply #71 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 12:42pm

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The question is - do we want to encourage the increased use of marijuana - a substance that has been shown to cause more harm in society than good through reduced productivity, brain damage, increased accident rates and increased crime? - because total legalisation will do exactly that. In the end it will cost society.

Maybe it would temporarily reduce revenues for organised crime, but not for long - it would provide a much more relaxed and amenable market for harder drugs in the long run. From there on in, it's a continuously downhill spiral from a position of relative civilisation, with zombie-like politicians in the pockets of organised criminals passing all kinds of harmful legislation.

- Muso

Somebody frame this post please. It makes a hell of a lot of sense!

All that it needs is relative facts to back it up...plenty of space below...

That's a downright lie.ii

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Reply #72 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:07pm

Emma wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

Well said Mr Pipes!

Why is it so hard for them to understand what you have said.?
Its so obvious that making it illegal results in harm - the logic escapes me for blaming Pot for all other illicit drug use.
Thats the way it's been set up - to produce untraceable massive $$$$ - so Pot isn't enough on its own, much better to direct people on to addictive substances.
Why are people so blind to the truth. Propaganda, Profit.

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Reply #73 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:12pm

muso wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

Well said Mr Pipes!

Why is it so hard for them to understand what you have said.?
Its so obvious that making it illegal results in harm - the logic escapes me for blaming Pot for all other illicit drug use.
Thats the way it's been set up - to produce untraceable massive $$$$ - so Pot isn't enough on its own, much better to direct people on to addictive substances.
Why are people so blind to the truth. Propaganda, Profit.

...addiction.

Where does dope rate on the addiction-o-meter? I'd say somewhere above exercise and below Junk food. It's not a big issue.
Please please PLEAAASE don't make the folly of lumping all drugs together, as if they all have the same effects.

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Reply #74 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 4:15pm

... wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

Where does dope rate on the addiction-o-meter? I'd say somewhere above exercise and below Junk food. It's not a big issue.
Please please PLEAAASE don't make the folly of lumping all drugs together, as if they all have the same effects.

Of course it's addictive.

I guess I was replying to Jalane, who admitted to being a heavy user. According to this NIDA Study (US) it shows the same withdrawal pattern as nicotine.

Jalane - Just a quick question - Could you easily stop using marijuana for a month right now?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/marijuana4.html#addictive

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Is Marijuana Addictive?

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction; that is, people have difficulty controlling their drug use and cannot stop even though it interferes with many aspects of their lives. It is estimated that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it. The number goes up to about 1 in 6 in those who start using young (in their teens) and to 25-50 percent among daily users. Moreover, a study of over 300 fraternal and identical twin pairs found that the twin who had used marijuana before the age of 17 had elevated rates of other drug use and drug problems later on, compared with their twin who did not use before age 17.

According to the 2008 NSDUH, marijuana accounted for 4.2 million of the estimated 7 million Americans dependent on or abusing illicit drugs. In 2008, approximately 15 percent of people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse; 61 percent of persons under 15 reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse, as did 56 percent of those 15 to 19 years old.

Marijuana addiction is also linked to a withdrawal syndrome similar to that of nicotine withdrawal, which can make it hard to quit. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeping difficulties, craving, and anxiety. They also show increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.

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