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Reply #420 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 12:18pm

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 12:09pm:

No, it is not used correctly in this context. Maybe it's petty to point it out, but it is a pretty basic error.
Besides, have I ever disputed that long term, regular use has detrimental Effects? realtively minor detrimental effects, but detrimental effects nonetheless.

Sorry - but I disagree.

When used as a descriptor or adjective, affect means to change, and usually refers to an emotion or symptom

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to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen: The new machines finally effected the transition to computerized accounting last spring.

The stuff in your purse? Your personal effects.

The stuff in movies? Sound effects and special effects.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #421 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 12:31pm You really want to argue this?
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #422 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 1:58pm ... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 12:31pm: You really want to argue this? I don't mind either way. We're both entitled to our opinions so we can agree to disagree.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #423 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:04pm Well yah, but this isn't a matter of opinions, each having equal worth. One is right and one is wrong. I know which one I am....
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #424 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:07pm ... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:04pm: Well yah, but this isn't a matter of opinions, each having equal worth. One is right and one is wrong. I know which one I am.... edited error
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #425 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:09pm Actually I've got to apologise. I think you are right.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #426 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:15pm LOL. Apology accepted. Now where were we?
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Reply #427 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 2:25pm

Haha. It's not often I make mistakes in English comprehension, but it happens to the best of us sometimes. Shocked

At least we agree on this to a point..

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Besides, have I ever disputed that long term, regular use has detrimental Effects? realtively minor detrimental effects, but detrimental effects nonetheless.

I don't think they are minor detrimental effects, but like alcohol, if you don't smoke the stuff regularly your brain and body has a chance to recover. Do habitual cannabis users ever give themselves a chance to recover?

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Reply #428 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 3:01pm

mantra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 11:57am:

Affect is spelt correctly in the context it's used in that sentence, but those who have smoked cannabis know that the affects cause disorientation, memory loss and the ability to apply logic to an immediate problem.

To deny that is to lie to yourself.

Disorientation and memory loss, sure. What are you basing your opinion of losing 'the ability to apply logic to an immediate problem' on? Can you post a study? I'd be very interested to read it over. This sounds like it might be true for a portion of dope smokers, but I really doubt it is true for all. Much like not everybody becomes disorientated. I can vouch for memory loss though Grin

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Reply #429 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 6:37pm

' Do habitual cannabis users ever give themselves a chance to recover? ' - Mantra

Tut tut Mantra.
Self-serving but interesting comment.

This is an excellent example of the power of words,.. of the use of language. Not bad. Blatant, but appealing.

It works on the basis that 'one must recover' from cannabis use - in order to be productive, or 'well'.... This is the assumption that predicates everything you say on this topic , Mantra.

An excellent example as I said - it demonstrates the power of 'negativity' - of 'us and them' ... Which is used, in this case - to be divisive,... to present as credible, but appear as anti- ... .
To attempt a subtle reinforcement of the idea that legalisation, and therefore, Pot, itself, is BAD. !!!

DON"T BUY IT MYSELF!!

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Reply #430 - Aug 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am

O))) wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 3:01pm:

Disorientation and memory loss, sure. What are you basing your opinion of losing 'the ability to apply logic to an immediate problem' on? Can you post a study? I'd be very interested to read it over. This sounds like it might be true for a portion of dope smokers, but I really doubt it is true for all. Much like not everybody becomes disorientated. I can vouch for memory loss though Grin

At least you're honest in admitting to the disorientation and memory loss. This study relates to risk taking which would be associated with lack of logic when stoned.

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Using a laboratory measure of risk taking designed to address acute drug effects, 10 adults were administered placebo cigarettes and three doses of active marijuana cigarettes (half placebo and half 1.77%; 1.77%; and 3.58% Delta9-THC) in a within-subject repeated-measures experimental design. The risk-taking task presented subjects with a choice between two response options operationally defined as risky and nonrisky. Data analyses examined cardiovascular and subjective effects, response rates, distribution of choices between the risky and nonrisky option, and first-order transition probabilities of trial-by-trial data. The 3.58% THC dose increased selection of the risky response option, and uniquely shifted response probabilities following both winning and losing outcomes following selection of the risky option. Acute marijuana administration thereby produced measurable changes in risky decision making under laboratory conditions.

Early-onset marijuana use is related to later delinquency, having multiple sexual partners, and use of other drugs (Brook et al, 1999). Marijuana use is associated with criminal behavior, notably attempted homicide, drug trafficking, and delinquency in adolescents and young adults (Fergusson and Horwood, 1997; Friedman et al, 2001; Watts and Wright, 1990; White, 1991). Marijuana use has been associated with risky sexual behavior (Duncan et al, 1999; Kingree et al, 2000; Kingree and Betz, 2003; Staton et al, 1999) and chronic use may serve as a predictor for HIV risk (Malow et al, 2001). Marijuana is the most frequently used illicit drug implicated in intoxicated driving (Brookoff et al, 1994; Moskowitz, 1985; Walsh and Mann, 1999). After alcohol, marijuana accounts for the largest percentage of drug-positive motor vehicle crashes and fatalities (Soderstrom et al, 1995; Stoduto et al, 1993), and THC blood levels indicating recent use are related to increased risk of a car crash (Ramaekers et al, 2004).

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v30/n4/full/1300620a.html

And for Jalene....before you have another fit of apoplexy - go to the site and read up on those case studies.

The average non-smoker of cannabis knows from long term observation of potheads that these negative studies are true.

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Reply #431 - Aug 24^th, 2011 at 1:22pm

mantra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

Early-onset marijuana use is related to later delinquency, having multiple sexual partners, and use of other drugs (Brook et al, 1999). Marijuana use is associated with criminal behavior, notably attempted homicide, drug trafficking, and delinquency in adolescents and young adults (Fergusson and Horwood, 1997; Friedman et al, 2001; Watts and Wright, 1990; White, 1991). Marijuana use has been associated with risky sexual behavior (Duncan et al, 1999; Kingree et al, 2000; Kingree and Betz, 2003; Staton et al, 1999) and chronic use may serve as a predictor for HIV risk (Malow et al, 2001). Marijuana is the most frequently used illicit drug implicated in intoxicated driving (Brookoff et al, 1994; Moskowitz, 1985; Walsh and Mann, 1999). After alcohol, marijuana accounts for the largest percentage of drug-positive motor vehicle crashes and fatalities (Soderstrom et al, 1995; Stoduto et al, 1993), and THC blood levels indicating recent use are related to increased risk of a car crash (Ramaekers et al, 2004).

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v30/n4/full/1300620a.html

The average non-smoker of cannabis knows from long term observation of potheads that these negative studies are true.

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Thanks, that was very interesting. The studies I left quoted surprised me even more, but not quite as much when I looked at who the subjects were. From the 5 I read through most of them had subjects who were either inner-city African Americans, adolescents in juvenile detention, under court-order or all three.

I highly doubt smoking weed will make a normal person into a violent criminal who crashes cars and has unprotected sex/HIV. Very likely the subjects environments are partially responsible, but they were interesting results nonetheless.

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Reply #432 - Aug 24^th, 2011 at 5:25pm

Quite so....... 'I highly doubt smoking weed will make a normal person into a violent criminal who crashes cars and has unprotected sex/HIV. Very likely the subjects environments are partially responsible, but they were interesting results nonetheless.' - Quote- Lepper

How very, shall we say, re-miss you were in failing to advise us all what Lepper so kindly points out...about these 'studies'.
Shame on you.

'... when I looked at who the subjects were. ....most of them had subjects who were either inner-city African Americans, adolescents in juvenile detention, under court-order or all three.' - Quote - Lepper
Well done there L.

Frankly I spend little time on the web, for reasons long ago discussed - 'tho prob not this forum. I certainly have no intention of following your advice Mantra - I've read plenty thanks.

Why don't YOU google-up some respectable studies which are NOT specifically negative,?? How bout that? Up to the challenge.?

You could try starting with the comprehensive study done by the British back in the late 1800's. Mainly based on the period of the British presence in India.
Forget about earlier 'folk-lore' - as that is probably not to your liking -- being rarely mentioned , and never on paper.

Now THAT [u]WOULD BE INTERESTING[/u]!!!!!

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Reply #433 - Aug 24^th, 2011 at 6:01pm

'The average non-smoker of cannabis knows from long term observation of potheads .....' - Quote - Mantra.

Huh???!!

The average non-smoker...... "knows from long term observation of..." . Splutter- cough- splutter.cough..!!???

WHAT???? Shocked

The average non-smoker...'knows' nothing about cannabis smokers.

Perhaps we are both trapped in our own paradigm?? Wink

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