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Reply #405 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 11:01pm
 
GROAN!!!!!

The difference is that prescribed drugs can be monitored by a professional or at least that's what is supposed to happen.

It is a bit of a farce because the drug companies don't want competition and many prescribed drugs are more dangerous and addictive than cannabis, [u]but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Many of the kids who smoke grass regularly today don't hesitate in taking other more harmful drugs - ecstasy, speed, cocaine and even LSD unfortunately and these drugs aren't regulated. Who knows what's in them.[/u] - Mantra.

This is OK BY U???? How can you NOT see the fallacy in your position???

AND THIS IS THE REASON ITS OK!!!!!! THIS UNBALANCED HARMFUL DIVISIVE AND CRIMINAL POLICY?????


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HELP HELP HELP !!!

Too many people like MANTRA - in the world.  GO AWAY -- PLEASE - your stupidity causes a small blip on my DANGER RADAR!!!
Sorry to say this but you'd have made a good nazi ---  and you are probably a good conservative, liberal voter.!!!  Sure to be sure you feel righteous and smug.
Tongue Roll Eyes

Shite happens..... it happens everywhere.! Not helped by blinkered folk such as YOU.
You make me want to ........all over...like you.
 
Enough is enough -  your prejudicial and (undeniably) well-paced comments - intended to rubbish people who actually KNOW about what YOU so conscientiously and abysmally deride - are becoming increasingly boring -  tiresome -even.

You cannot successfully legislate this as a criminal matter. This has been shown, and many many more knowledgeable people than you or I have sought a better resolution than criminality , BUT  -- SOME FEW are not convinced - and continue to promote and condone an utterly negative campaign AGAINST our own.
Sick sick sick thinking -  twisted sick bitter sad harmful thinking.!!!
Sadly mantra  --- I DOUBT you get it. Sad


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Reply #406 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 11:16pm
 
'..........................If you kill off the customers, there's no repeat business.. ' - Gizmo

Yeah  ----  that's why the EBOLA virus hasn't taken over the world.!! Wink
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Reply #407 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 12:27am
 
I think that the wrong message is being sent by separating legal and illegal drugs into categories which distinguish them as being either OK or not OK.

Yes I believe that marijuana can lead to the use of other illegal substances primarily because the user of marijuana might develop a flippant attitude towards illegal drugs after realising that the dangers they've been told about cannabis are basically lies, or gross exaggerations.

If the shoe were on the other foot, so to speak, and alcohol were the illegal substance instead of cannabis, then the pitfalls might be more apparent and more realistic.

Alcohol causes road accidents, cannabis doesn't.
Alcohol causes violence, cannabis doesn't.
Alcohol causes liver problems, cannabis doesn't. ..etc.

Sooner or later these inconsistencies between legal and illegal drugs will cause a questioning (by young people) and possibly a total disrespect of information regarding drugs if the information has not been not put forward in a straightforward and factual manner.

So if they lied about this drug (cannabis), then why not that drug?
Why not take them all and see what other lies may have been told?







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Reply #408 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 5:25am
 
Emma wrote on Aug 20th, 2011 at 11:01pm:
GROAN!!!!!

The difference is that prescribed drugs can be monitored by a professional or at least that's what is supposed to happen.

It is a bit of a farce because the drug companies don't want competition and many prescribed drugs are more dangerous and addictive than cannabis, [u]but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Many of the kids who smoke grass regularly today don't hesitate in taking other more harmful drugs - ecstasy, speed, cocaine and even LSD unfortunately and these drugs aren't regulated. Who knows what's in them.[/u] - Mantra.

This is OK BY U???? How can you NOT see the fallacy in your position???

AND THIS IS THE REASON ITS OK!!!!!! THIS UNBALANCED HARMFUL DIVISIVE AND CRIMINAL POLICY?????


GROAN Angry
HELP HELP HELP !!!

Too many people like MANTRA - in the world.  GO AWAY -- PLEASE - your stupidity causes a small blip on my DANGER RADAR!!!
Sorry to say this but you'd have made a good nazi ---  and you are probably a good conservative, liberal voter.!!!  Sure to be sure you feel righteous and smug.
Tongue Roll Eyes

Shite happens..... it happens everywhere.! Not helped by blinkered folk such as YOU.
You make me want to ........all over...like you.
 
Enough is enough -  your prejudicial and (undeniably) well-paced comments - intended to rubbish people who actually KNOW about what YOU so conscientiously and abysmally deride - are becoming increasingly boring -  tiresome -even.

You cannot successfully legislate this as a criminal matter. This has been shown, and many many more knowledgeable people than you or I have sought a better resolution than criminality , BUT  -- SOME FEW are not convinced - and continue to promote and condone an utterly negative campaign AGAINST our own.
Sick sick sick thinking -  twisted sick bitter sad harmful thinking.!!!
Sadly mantra  --- I DOUBT you get it. Sad


Is it possible to get your point across - if you have one, without being abusive. Read back over your post and see how little sense it makes. You are a perfect example of a chronic dope smoker who has lost the ability to reason (not enough oxygen to the brain perhaps). Try attacking the argument and not the person and you might add a little credibility to your defense.


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Reply #409 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 10:38pm
 
What an easy answer for you.

You know very well what my point is...prohibition = BAD
You think .........................................prohibition = GOOD.
Pretty simple really.

Have to say - when people who know give comments.. you WILL NOT accept was has been said, and when you concede on some point - you never do so without the inevitable disclaimer.!!!

So - you don't listen....   reason fails, ...     maybe a bit of biffo will make you think. !!  But NO - uh uh - you will not be moved. You'd rather the status quo.  

I could call you worse things than stupid, righteous and smug,...  but I think you get my position.
Would serve no purpose,..just like every other post has failed to sway you.

You are entitled to your opinion - as am I. You are clear in yours, I am clear in mine. If you continue to post, I will continue to reply.  
But try a bit harder.  Your anecdotes of 20 odd yrs past are mostly irrelevant TODAY.
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Reply #410 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 9:18am
 
Emma wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 10:38pm:
What an easy answer for you.

You know very well what my point is...prohibition = BAD
You think .........................................prohibition = GOOD.
Pretty simple really.

Have to say - when people who know give comments.. you WILL NOT accept was has been said, and when you concede on some point - you never do so without the inevitable disclaimer.!!!

So - you don't listen....   reason fails, ...     maybe a bit of biffo will make you think. !!  But NO - uh uh - you will not be moved. You'd rather the status quo.
 

Biffo? What's that supposed to mean?

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I could call you worse things than stupid, righteous and smug,...  but I think you get my position.
Would serve no purpose,..just like every other post has failed to sway you.

You are entitled to your opinion - as am I. You are clear in yours, I am clear in mine. If you continue to post, I will continue to reply.  
But try a bit harder.  Your anecdotes of 20 odd yrs past are mostly irrelevant TODAY.
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You have no responsibility Jalene - you neither work nor have a family (in your own words), therefore you are entitled to do as you please. Yes you are a person in the "know" because you are a dopehead (in the literal sense) and can offer your expert opinion for those in a similar position to yourself.

I wouldn't think of trying to change the opinion of someone who is fully mature and unproductive - it would be totally pointless, but there's still hope for our youth and they don't have to go down the same path if they hear and see the right message often enough.


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Reply #411 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 6:58pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 5:25am:
You are a perfect example of a chronic dope smoker who has lost the ability to reason (not enough oxygen to the brain perhaps).


Can you please show citations that smoking weed leads to a loss of reason. I find this a bit hard to believe.

And while we are talking about dope smoking, I figured this was relevant. Hell, I might even spark one after dinner  Tongue



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Reply #412 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 9:17pm
 
yeah!!!!!!!!!!


you say I have lost the power of reason..........well....let's say

YOU NEVER had it in the first place. Cool
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Reply #413 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 9:30pm
 
'.............but there's still hope for our youth and they don't have to go down the same path if they hear and see the right message often enough...' -Mantra


Yes yes yes - like I said before,  you like the status quo.  You like the propaganda and the battle for 'our youth'. What's more - you don't care if you're wrong.

Tell someone something often enough and they will believe.
Throw enough Mud   ..and some will stick.!!  
Divisive and nasty as they are,  these are your principles..
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Reply #414 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:18am
 
O))) wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 6:58pm:
mantra wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 5:25am:
You are a perfect example of a chronic dope smoker who has lost the ability to reason (not enough oxygen to the brain perhaps).


Can you please show citations that smoking weed leads to a loss of reason. I find this a bit hard to believe.

And while we are talking about dope smoking, I figured this was relevant. Hell, I might even spark one after dinner  Tongue


That's very funny.

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The THC in marijuana attaches to naturally produced cannabinoid receptors in the brain and changes how these receptors process information. The natural regulating mechanisms become blocked and produce an overflow of chemicals, causing the disruptions of regular brain functioning.

Areas highly affected by the drug include the cerebellum and basal ganglia. These areas are responsible for movement, coordination, balance and body control.

The cognitive system, including the hippocampus and cerebral cortex, are areas responsible for learning, memory and thinking. Cognitive functions are overloaded by THC during marijuana use and create lapses in thought process, time delay and loss of memory.

Research further indicates that there are long-term affects to these areas of the brain when marijuana is used on a regular basis over time.



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Yes yes yes - like I said before,  you like the status quo.  You like the propaganda and the battle for 'our youth'. What's more - you don't care if you're wrong.


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Reply #415 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:27am
 
That quote says nothing about a loss of reason. I've never seen anybody lose their ability to reason because they are stoned. If anything, I would say it has the opposite effect in most people.
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Reply #416 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:38am
 
and what's more - is obviously one of 'those' scientific studies, used to  bolster one particular outcome.
The quote says nothing useful,  - obviously psychotropic drugs work on the brain.!!!!! Roll Eyes
Except

'.......cannabinoid receptors in the brain...'

See the human brain has naturally occurring structures in the brain, into which THC fits perfectly. No tinkering necessary.

What an amazing thing.  So, even though we are structured to utilise cannabis, in the very small scale of the human brain, you still argue against it??
SO  - you must be an atheist!!  Shocked
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Reply #417 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:42am
 
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Research further indicates that there are long-term affects to these areas of the brain when marijuana is used on a regular basis over time.



I wouldn't place too much stock in research that was carried out by people who can't even spell 'Effects' let alone define them.
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Reply #418 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:57am
 
... wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:42am:
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Research further indicates that there are long-term affects to these areas of the brain when marijuana is used on a regular basis over time.



I wouldn't place too much stock in research that was carried out by people who can't even spell 'Effects' let alone define them.



Affect is spelt correctly in the context it's used in that sentence, but those who have smoked cannabis know that the affects cause disorientation, memory loss and the ability to apply logic to an immediate problem.

To deny that is to lie to yourself.
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Reply #419 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:57am:
... wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:42am:
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Research further indicates that there are long-term affects to these areas of the brain when marijuana is used on a regular basis over time.



I wouldn't place too much stock in research that was carried out by people who can't even spell 'Effects' let alone define them.



Affect is spelt correctly in the context it's used in that sentence, but those who have smoked cannabis know that the affects cause disorientation, memory loss and the ability to apply logic to an immediate problem.

To deny that is to lie to yourself.



No, it is not used correctly in this context. Maybe it's petty to point it out, but it is a pretty basic error.
Besides, have I ever disputed that long term, regular use has detrimental Effects?  realtively minor detrimental effects, but detrimental effects nonetheless.
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