... wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 1:23pm:


- or just a nasty rash for that matter.

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Well, put it this way: If I were under the influence of cannabis, I would perform my tasks in a more careful and thoughtful manner than usual.
I somewhat agree that normal tasks are better performed whilst not being under the influence of cannabis, however, studies have shown only a negligible difference there, if any.

Factors such as stress and tiredness have far more of an influence upon performance than cannabis.
There are accepted drugs around such as caffeine, which can provide a short term fix to tiredness.
And alcohol might provide a short term fix for stress, however, the following day, and when the vast majority of alcohol is out of the system (ie: undetectable), it can still be a massive problem as far as performance is concerned. Unfortunately, I'm pretty experienced in that department - I try to avoid the hangover performance problem if I can.
That's when I was wishing I got wasted on cannabis, 'cause I never experienced any hangover problem there.

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I suppose it's of their own personal opinion that their life rolls along more smoothly with cannabis as an ingredient.
Is it that much of a problem for you? Have they strung up your cat on your front porch or done anything so sinister for you to have any reason to think that they are out to get you?


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What I am saying is that it is far more likely that a surgeon would go ahead and perform the operation after a few beers than after a few bongs, even though the surgeon would be far more competent to perform the task after a few bongs than after a few beers. Do you get my meaning there?
I think that any experienced cannabis user would understand my meaning there.

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This sentence is so blatantly wrong IMO: "Long term users usually suffer from depression and paranoia - symptoms that could be avoided or lessened if they modified their "habit".

You're talking about chicken and egg stuff there Mantra. Which came first?
IMO, it's sad that those who provide such great emotional and talented works tend to always fight a losing battle with themselves, but would it be even sadder for all of us if they didn't put up the fight for their own inherent talent?
Would Amy Winehouse (or many other talents) still be alive today if the "general public" had listened to her initial "famous" statement that she won't go to rehab? I think yes. They/we forced her into rehab., now she's dead 'cause we killed her. We craved her talent, but not her method of providing that talent.

Do you have something greater to add than the talent which has been displayed by these "so called" dead-head loser drug addicts?
I know I don't, and I don't see any real evidence that you do either.

With or without the presence of "mind altering" substances, the story has been the same since the advent of humanity. There's always been people willing to risk themselves for a certain cause.
OK, we can do away with all mind altering substances..but would that stop Islamic extremists from becoming Islamic extremists? Would that stop Christian extremists? Would that stop political extremists?
Would that stop peadophiles, ..would it cure autism..etc. etc.?

So if you don't fall into one of these "accepted categories", then we all (by default) must adhere to the drone lifestyle that you condone. Is that the way it is?



Have a bong Mantra  

Amadd wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 5:25am:


I'm not trying to stop anyone from having fun - just don't have that sort of fun if you're doing me or my family a service.

When my children were at school it surprised me how many of their peer's parents smoked, but neither of them had any association with cannabis or even recognised the smell until my son at 11 went to a mate's place and his father was sitting around with some mates having a few bongs. It's totally irresponsible to subject & condition your kids to accepting drugs as "normal".

If people want to smoke - they can, but not in the presence of young children.  A lot of kids take it for granted that it's normal to smoke grass because they've grown up with it. Both mine went through a phase in their late teens where they smoked sometimes, but fortunately it didn't do much for either of them and now in their 20's they aren't interested in the stuff (I hope).

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No Amadd I don't think a surgeon would be more competent under the influence of any mind altering drug - alcohol and cannabis are both as bad as each other under certain conditions.

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I didn't call pot smokers deadheads - Jalene used that term to describe people who didn't share his/her view. I appreciate the talents of those great musicians who sadly lose their lives at such a young age. Rehab isn't for everyone - but many of these artists were unable to handle their success and coped with it by mistakenly believing they were invincible and overdosing. They are the ones responsible for their own deaths and an adult can't blame others for their mental issues.

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These are opinions only and mean very little in the scheme of things. Of course pot smokers are harmless in comparison to the terrible attrocities committed by the extremists of this world and as long as they don't inflict danger on others with their habits - let them smoke themselves into oblivion.

I probably do lead a drone of a life by some people's standards - but it hasn't always been like that. We're all supposed to grow up eventually.

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No thanks Amadd!  

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-mantra

You are working under the false assumption that any level of drug use will cause negative impairment, and I have already explained that that is just not true, which I know from personal experience.

I gave examples of rock climbing, snow skiiing, and surfing, all activities I was very active in, and all which require a very high degree of skill, and balance to perform well, and I have done all of them under the influence of pot.
That does not mean that people cannot overindulge, and get so stoned that they would reach a level of intoxication which would impact upon their abilities, but that is why I said a sobriety/capability test, rather than merely testing for signs of drugs in your system, is the only fair way to approach policing such things.
If you go down that road, I can also guarantee that many young people with high levels of THC in their system, would perform far better than older people with no drugs in their system.
So, let's ban all older people from driving, their reaction times are slower, their vision is worse, they are a greater threat on the whole impairment argument, so how would you like to volunteer  for a test under those criteria?

Of course you wouldn't.
The issue about legalising pot is one of fairness, first and foremost, and harm minimisation secondly, but on both counts, legalising pot is the right way to go.
I say that from the position of someone who doesn't smoke, so I have no personal interest, and my main concern is that I firmly believe it would be a positive step in making ours a fairer and safer society.

Spot on Mozzaok!
'The issue about legalising pot is one of fairness, first and foremost, and harm minimisation secondly, but on both counts, legalising pot is the right way to go.' - Mozzaok

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'Stop trying to justify your addiction by abusing people who want to give their children a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about drugs when they're old enough to do so'.  - Mantra

I apologised already, for my uncalled for remark,  but since you wish to continue negativing Pot, I will continue to address your comments..
No - I have no children - BY CHOICE.

Why pity your kids??
Because YOU decide when THEY are old enough to be  'informed'!! When would that be, by the way? 16 ?? Younger??
Got to tell you - that's too late.!! Most kids in today's environment,  KNOW more than you do about it.
Your parental advice will not help your kids, will not- has not - given them a fighting chance.  BECAUSE??

....  Because your information is not informative, but propagandist.   Because YOUR KIDS know this. SO you become irrelevant as a source of wisdom, because YOU DON"T KNOW as much as they do, and they know it, and they wonder what other mis-informed, tho well intended, garbage you have told them.   (On a society-wide basis ..this leads -broadly-  to mistrust of the Law AND societal norms.).!!
They will likely come to understand  your position, hopefully, but they may not  agree.  
Unless of course, you are in an OZ equivalent of the 'Amish' !!!!!!! Or they see you frequently, and you maintain your 'control' of their views.

YOU MIGHT want to think about it/??  'cos from comments you have made, I gather your kids aren't 'at home'  anymore, and you do not know if they do indulge in Pot , that you've warned them against..
That is sad,  but Pot isn't to blame.

HOPE you saw 'CAN of WORMS' tonight. ( Channel 10 -9.30 pm QLD)
One of the questions was - Would you tell your teenager, that some people  smoke Pot just  because they enjoy it.??

IF you didn't -  try and check it out.  YOU might learn something.!   Of benefit to you.
Good luck best wishes

mozzaok wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 7:54pm:


Who was that olympic snowboarder who tested positive to pot?

The former Brisbane Bronco player "Smokin Joe Kilroy" also got busted for pot.
I thought they called him smokin joe because he was a fast runner,he wasnt running he was flying...lol.

Micheal Phelps with 14 olympic gold medals was busted with a bong.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_wFILVPOtnqNu7xtjkcHNaL;jsessionid=AF1...

The Dupont family were behind hemp prohibition in the USA.
More than a few companies have a vested interest in keeping pot illegal.