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Reply #300 - Jul 27^th, 2011 at 10:15am

muso wrote on Jul 27^th, 2011 at 10:11am:

mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

That's probably the best comment I've seen on this thread so far.

When it comes down to rejecting medical evidence from scientific studies and rejecting the opinion of anyone who has never smoked pot, you would really have to wonder.

Still, what do I know? Wink

This 'point' was never in dispute. Of course long term, heavy use causes problems - just as long term heavy use of anything causes problems.

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Reply #302 - Jul 28^th, 2011 at 9:18am

mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1294031311/285#292 date=1311421891]
This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

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Reply #303 - Jul 28^th, 2011 at 10:01am

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mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1294031311/285#292 date=1311421891]
This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

They might still be able to function perfectly normally, but their motivation will have been lessened. It's good for relaxation, but you can't relax all the time, otherwise nothing gets achieved.

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Reply #304 - Jul 28^th, 2011 at 12:18pm

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mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1294031311/285#292 date=1311421891]
This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

I did not say --- " This comment might sound straight though - ........." THAT comment was made by Mantra, and backed by Muso. The way it was posted identifies ME as author. That is really very annoying! Angry

If you must quote - make sure you get it right.!!!!!! Roll Eyes

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Reply #306 - Jul 28^th, 2011 at 2:33pm

muso wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 27^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:

'Still, what do I know? ' - Muso

Precisely- what do YOU KNOW?.

That's right. Partaking of the bhang obviously imparts a wisdom that transcends mere scientific study. I am not worthy. Grin

Shamans and what-not believed this to be true.

It does change the way you think, so it's probable that some avenues of thinking would be enhanced and others would be hindered.

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Reply #307 - Jul 28^th, 2011 at 10:40pm

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muso wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 27^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:

'Still, what do I know? ' - Muso

Precisely- what do YOU KNOW?.

That's right. Partaking of the bhang obviously imparts a wisdom that transcends mere scientific study. I am not worthy. Grin

Shamans and what-not believed this to be true.

It does change the way you think, so it's probable that some avenues of thinking would be enhanced and others would be hindered.

' Partaking of the bhang obviously imparts a wisdom that transcends mere scientific study. ....' - Muso

Listen in Muso. What you said ....................... ^ - your comment marks a truth, but you don't understand it.
No fault you - altho in Law - ignorance is NO EXCUSE.!

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Reply #308 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:55am

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O))) wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

They might still be able to function perfectly normally, but their motivation will have been lessened. It's good for relaxation, but you can't relax all the time, otherwise nothing gets achieved.

Are we talking brain dysfunction or being unmotivated? Losing motivation definitely becomes less of an issue with daily, long-term use as stated in the original post. I know plenty of people who smoke daily, have for years, and manage to run a business, hold down jobs, get physical exercise, remain fit, play sport, create music/art etc etc...It all is highly dependent on the person. Especially if we are talking long-term/daily use. Once tolerance builds it is much easier to remain motivated.

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Reply #309 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am

O))) wrote on Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

... wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

O))) wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

They might still be able to function perfectly normally, but their motivation will have been lessened. It's good for relaxation, but you can't relax all the time, otherwise nothing gets achieved.

Are we talking brain dysfunction or being unmotivated? Losing motivation definitely becomes less of an issue with daily, long-term use as stated in the original post. I know plenty of people who smoke daily, have for years, and manage to run a business, hold down jobs, get physical exercise, remain fit, play sport, create music/art etc etc...It all is highly dependent on the person. Especially if we are talking long-term/daily use. Once tolerance builds it is much easier to remain motivated.

I don't deny that - once routine has been established, you can do it almost indefintely. However, motivation to step outside of the comfort zone is certainly lessened. I believe long term regular use will have this effect on everyone, but for arguments sake, lets just say 99% of people.

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Reply #310 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 1:43pm

... wrote on Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

O))) wrote on Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

... wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

O))) wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

mantra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

This comment might sound straight though - but seriously when pot is smoked daily and long term (even short term in some cases) - brain dysfunction does occur. It mightn't be apparent to the person with the habit, but it's obvious to everyone else.

Really? I know many long-term, habitual cannabis users and I would only class 1 or 2 of them as having noticeable 'brain dysfunction'. I know quite a few drinkers who are MUCH more impacted by their long-term use of alcohol.

They might still be able to function perfectly normally, but their motivation will have been lessened. It's good for relaxation, but you can't relax all the time, otherwise nothing gets achieved.

Are we talking brain dysfunction or being unmotivated? Losing motivation definitely becomes less of an issue with daily, long-term use as stated in the original post. I know plenty of people who smoke daily, have for years, and manage to run a business, hold down jobs, get physical exercise, remain fit, play sport, create music/art etc etc...It all is highly dependent on the person. Especially if we are talking long-term/daily use. Once tolerance builds it is much easier to remain motivated.

However, motivation to step outside of the comfort zone is certainly lessened. I believe long term regular use will have this effect on everyone, but for arguments sake, lets just say 99% of people.

I honestly have not noticed an unwillingness to try new things amongst my stoner friends/acquaintances (assuming this is what you meant by comfort zone). If anything, I am less outgoing than most of them and I only smoke occasionally. This all traces back to individual behaviour. I can't help but feel saying 99%/everyone will behave as you said after long-term use is a rather large assumption.

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Reply #311 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 8:15pm

Emma wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 10:40pm:

... wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

muso wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 27^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:

'Still, what do I know? ' - Muso

Precisely- what do YOU KNOW?.

That's right. Partaking of the bhang obviously imparts a wisdom that transcends mere scientific study. I am not worthy. Grin

Shamans and what-not believed this to be true.

It does change the way you think, so it's probable that some avenues of thinking would be enhanced and others would be hindered.

' Partaking of the bhang obviously imparts a wisdom that transcends mere scientific study. ....' - Muso

Listen in Muso. What you said ....................... ^ - your comment marks a truth, but you don't understand it.
No fault you - altho in Law - ignorance is NO EXCUSE.!

Maybe they should make it compulsory to give it to school students to make them wise? - You reckon? It would save a whole lot of book work. Tongue

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Reply #312 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:17pm

Sigh!!

Muso - why say such preposterous things.??

I think children should remain drug and alcohol-free as long as possible. But that time in our society is virtually in months!! - when analgesics (harmful ones) like paracetamol, are advertised to parents as the 'safe' solution. When parents give their infants beer to 'help' them sleep - why stir up rubbish about 'what if'? - when there is plenty to address in 'what's now'.??

Lepper, Mr Pipes?? your commonsense approaches to this subject - although differing in some issues, are nevertheless helpful. Not that I expect Muso to give it away. Seems if it's not in a scientific study - with lots of yummy statistics, meaningless as they may be, and backed by whoever for whatever purposes, it isn't worth serious consideration. Such is the product of a narrow focus and an essentially closed mind.

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Reply #313 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 8:26am

Emma wrote on Jul 29^th, 2011 at 11:17pm:

I think children should remain drug and alcohol-free as long as possible. But that time in our society is virtually in months!! - when analgesics (harmful ones) like paracetamol, are advertised to parents as the 'safe' solution.

- but to deprive them of the "weed of life" though- this elixir of wisdom that provides people with a valuable insight into life that mere non-inhalers like me cannot dream of - isn't that tantamount to child-abuse? Grin

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Reply #314 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 9:09am

Emma wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 11:00pm:

thanks Mozzaok - someone who Has experience.

I worked in a different situation ... and never worked whilst under the influence of Pot. I was too paranoid to do so!! I had to be INCOGNITO. Probably if I was not an 'employee' - but an 'independent contractor' it would have been different.
But I can't say that about alcohol. THAT was 'generally' allowed by the workplace culture where I worked.
No-one's lives were directly at risk. But - I just wasn't comfortable with it - altho others in the workplace didn't feel that way.
Not my problem - I'd wait till evening, at home. That was me.
I know - as you say - that many people worked stoned ---- and many more PISSED .
So it is....... Sometimes, coming back from lunch with my colleagues - I'd have a mild alco-buzz on.

I have never seen harm in the workplace from smoking - ... but drinking?? thats another issue..

If you've never worked under the influence of pot - why do you appear to be condoning those who do? You obviously had some reservations about how you would perform?

I'm sure Mozzaok and Muso have been around the block a few times in their youth. I did both at work, but only ever smoked pot once one lunchtime and regretted it. I was 19 and had some urgent documents to type up for a director (no spell check programs back then) and could not get past the first paragraph much to my horror.

On the other hand - after lunches involving alcohol with colleagues - it's assumed that your work performance will be a little impaired and not as much is expected of you. Remember alcohol is legal and people can still perform their duties to a certain extent if they've been fairly moderate.

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So Mr Mozzaok - tell me why you don't do it anymore. I'd be very interested !!! I mean - I've gone yrs w/o - but opportunity? no quibbles on my part. ! Wink

- and no longer being in the 'WORKFORCE!!! my restrictions are few.

It sounds like you're using your retirement as an excuse to get stoned around the clock Jalene and you have the freedom to do so, but do you feel good about it? Are you still as physically and mentally active as you once were or have you become a procrastinator? Pot tends to restrict your abilities.

I can't speak on behalf of Mozzaok or Muso - but I assume age and experience has determined their use of illegal drugs. I doubt they would publicly declare any of their habits even if there was only a little residue remaining today.

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