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Reply #270 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 7:51am
 
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Well  -  I think - and have for a while, that such drug-testing 'policies'  are suspect-  albeit a claim that its in the interests of public safety.  Shite!
I have never faced such a situation in a workplace - ...  and do not think it efficacious for the better running of any enterprise.!


Good point.

I can't think offhand of any situation where I have felt my personal safety to be compromised because of this "mythical" illegal drug problem within the workplace.
Alcohol ..yes I've seen it a few times. Other drugs..no.

Notwithstanding the fact that any threat to workplace safety that I have seen due to alcohol is primarily noticed and dealt with first through the workplace community.
If there were any real problems with drugs in the workplace, I have no doubt that they would also first be dealt with within the workplace community.

Ridiculous, ineffective, insulting drugs tests are a blight on privacy and freedom, and also an insult to the real effectiveness of what a "quiet word" from a trusted colleague might bring.

The message, of course, is to not trust in your pissy little communities.
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Reply #271 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 8:39am
 

There may be a legal case coming up in NZ to test the legalisation of pot for legitimate medical uses.

Apparently by international laws govt should allow people to have medicine.

the banning of pot to some people for medical uses contravenes that law.

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Reply #272 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 8:57am
 
Amadd wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 7:51am:
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Well  -  I think - and have for a while, that such drug-testing 'policies'  are suspect-  albeit a claim that its in the interests of public safety.  Shite!
I have never faced such a situation in a workplace - ...  and do not think it efficacious for the better running of any enterprise.!


Good point.

I can't think offhand of any situation where I have felt my personal safety to be compromised because of this "mythical" illegal drug problem within the workplace.
Alcohol ..yes I've seen it a few times. Other drugs..no.





The time I accidentally took too many Cold and Flu tablets, I felt totally unsafe.  If that's what morphine (a metabolite of codeine) does to the system, then there should be tests.
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Reply #273 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:36am
 
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The time I accidentally took too many Cold and Flu tablets, I felt totally unsafe.  If that's what morphine (a metabolite of codeine) does to the system, then there should be tests.


Did you have the common sense to realise that you felt unsafe to perform tasks?
Did you make your colleagues feel unsafe by your presence in this state?
What did you do about it?

Should I trust that you might take a common sense course of action?

I'm very sure that you'd have your wits about you Muso.





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Reply #274 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 8:00pm
 
It's funny, but the puritan USA has moved far closer to essentially legalising marijuana for "medicinal purposes" than supposedly hedonistic Australia.

My God - maybe it's just another sign of the End Times!
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Reply #275 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 12:07am
 
yeah Argus Tuft  ( tufty ) it's a bit of a worry.

Mind you, those US states that are more realistic in this- are not your bible-belt states, as far as I know.  Guess that is an advantage with having so many state governments and a 'recognition, by some at least' that one size DOES NOT FIT ALL.  Unlike here - where peer approval, polls and popularity seem to be the most important things to many australians. I'll bet you anything, that many public pot decriers, are secret smokers - in the privacy of their home.
And there is another problem with the WOD.  U might!? smoke??  your home is not yours, your privacy disappears, and you face punitive legal and social losses.
   
WHY???   don't ask me - I've said it all too many times before.

I'd much prefer police used their time and our money, more productively, but the Law is the law. However stupid and harmful it is. 

Go Figure.!!!!!!! Sad
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Reply #276 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 12:17am
 
Sprint -  I can only say  Go NZ.  Always ahead of OZ, whatever the issue.  
Good luck.

Of course such a case would never happen in OZ, 'cos we don't give a stuff about international laws.
Not a continental.
No - Oz shamefully ignores those international laws that don't suit us.  

That's right, shamefully.!!!  And all you whinging right wing fascists that rant on this forum are culprits.

Pathetic hypocrits- generally.  Its plain, obvious, and visible evryday!!!

And Too Too sad. Embarrassed
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Reply #277 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 9:33am
 
Amadd wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 7:51am:
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Well  -  I think - and have for a while, that such drug-testing 'policies'  are suspect-  albeit a claim that its in the interests of public safety.  Shite!
I have never faced such a situation in a workplace - ...  and do not think it efficacious for the better running of any enterprise.!


Good point.

I can't think offhand of any situation where I have felt my personal safety to be compromised because of this "mythical" illegal drug problem within the workplace.
Alcohol ..yes I've seen it a few times. Other drugs..no.

Notwithstanding the fact that any threat to workplace safety that I have seen due to alcohol is primarily noticed and dealt with first through the workplace community.
If there were any real problems with drugs in the workplace, I have no doubt that they would also first be dealt with within the workplace community.

Ridiculous, ineffective, insulting drugs tests are a blight on privacy and freedom, and also an insult to the real effectiveness of what a "quiet word" from a trusted colleague might bring.

The message, of course, is to not trust in your pissy little communities.
BB has bigger and better plans for you.










I can certainly sympathise ammad, as the more "responsible" drug users have to try and avoid the snares set to catch the irresponsible, but to pretend that there are not a great many irresponsible users is pretty dubious.
I have had enough experience to consider myself at least as qualified as any person I know of to make that judgement call, so rather than blaming society for protecting itself, blame the dropkicks who obviate that need, by doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Note, also, that the responsible users will be the older users, and unless they give rise to suspicion through their behaviour, then they are unlikely to be targeted, and would need to be a bit unlucky to get randomly tested.
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Reply #278 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 10:49am
 
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Note, also, that the responsible users will be the older users, and unless they give rise to suspicion through their behaviour, then they are unlikely to be targeted, and would need to be a bit unlucky to get randomly tested.


I think in this case you misunderstand the meaning of "random". It refers to the date and timing of the test, not who is tested. Come testing time it's everybody who gets tested - they don't just pick the likely suspects.

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Reply #279 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 12:50am
 
'I have had enough experience to consider myself at least as qualified as any person I know of to make that judgement call, so rather than blaming society for protecting itself, blame the dropkicks who obviate that need, by doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.'

Sorry?  was that Mozzaok?

This seems to suggest that  a relatively few people- who act badly, ...justify the onerous situation we ALL  live under.
This seems unbalanced to me.  
Society accepts many more harmful substances than Pot.
And Life Goes On is correct.  

A person may have smoked Pot for say 40 yrs - as a reasonably safe recreational and/or necessary medicinal aid.

This person may have never come to the attention of Police, or neighbours, or road users, because of it.
This person may have worked for the people, this person may have been a Journalist, this person may have been a labourer, ....but none of that  matters-  random is random - and the Law is the law.
No matter how poorly drafted, prejudicial and detrimental it may be.

Too bad for the genuinely good folk I have known - over the years - if they are run afoul of this foul fascist shite.   Big Brother is here - and he DOESN"T like you.!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #280 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 8:20am
 
Hear Hear Jalane.

What I'm hearing/seeing is that some are recognising themselves as a reference point.
I think that they should get over themselves somewhat and embrace democratic opinion a little more.

Muso obviously thinks himself apt to condone widespread drug testing upon his experience of taking too many cold tablets..."cough cough".

Mozz thinks himself as the "Guru" of hippiedom..and he probably is.
But I think that he is failing to realise that you can't accuse any particular drug to be the problem "per se" when the very same situation will probably exist with or without the drug being present. The dropkick is still the dropkick whether or not he/she takes the drug.  ......?i
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Reply #281 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 10:04am
 
muso wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 8:57am:
The time I accidentally took too many Cold and Flu tablets, I felt totally unsafe.  If that's what morphine (a metabolite of codeine) does to the system, then there should be tests.


Haha. Being a scientist Muso - I'm surprised at your ignorance at the time. I've never taken cold & flu tablets or anything much of a chemical nature - but I do recall those who did and they were heroin addicts who couldn't get a fix. It was the codeine they craved for the "pain".

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Mozz thinks himself as the "Guru" of hippiedom..and he probably is.

But I think that he is failing to realise that you can't accuse any particular drug to be the problem "per se" when the very same situation will probably exist with or without the drug being present. The dropkick is still the dropkick whether or not he/she takes the drug.  ......?


True, but Mozzaok's point is that the older pot smoker has had so many more years to learn discretion and they know their limitations. They wouldn't take the same risks as someone younger who perhaps can't predict where the drug will take them.
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Reply #282 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 11:52am
 
Amadd wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:36am:
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The time I accidentally took too many Cold and Flu tablets, I felt totally unsafe.  If that's what morphine (a metabolite of codeine) does to the system, then there should be tests.


Did you have the common sense to realise that you felt unsafe to perform tasks?
Did you make your colleagues feel unsafe by your presence in this state?
What did you do about it?

Should I trust that you might take a common sense course of action?

I'm very sure that you'd have your wits about you Muso.



Well I was much younger at that time and probably a lot less wise  Wink  I remember feeling that I wanted to die even before taking the tablets, and it didn't register that I was taking the tablets as frequently as I was.  Common sense was not on the horizon.

Nowadays I have a flu vaccination every year. It achieves the required risk reduction.
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Reply #283 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 7:18pm
 
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I've never taken cold & flu tablets or anything much of a chemical nature - but I do recall those who did and they were heroin addicts who couldn't get a fix. It was the codeine they craved for the "pain".


You'd need to take 30, 40, 50+ over the counter Codeine products to just take the edge off hanging out for Heroin. Even then it's unlikely the effect they'd have would be very satisfactory.
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Reply #284 - Jul 22nd, 2011 at 12:11am
 
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I've never taken cold & flu tablets or anything much of a chemical nature - but I do recall those who did and they were heroin addicts who couldn't get a fix. It was the codeine they craved for the "pain".

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You'd need to take 30, 40, 50+ over the counter Codeine products to just take the edge off hanging out for Heroin. Even then it's unlikely the effect they'd have would be very satisfactory. 



Well truly both Life Goes On   -  and  -- Mantra are correct.

I've known a person trying to inject Digesic 'cos they were hanging - didn't work of course, but they were trying to ease it.  Many yrs ago I might add.  Others would break up Codral cold tabs, and try for the yellow bit in the centre.  Never saw that - anecdotal.  And then of course- others did chemist busts.  Sad

So it goes - yeah? Sad


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