Jalane, I would leave it for at least 12 hours before you drive anywhere.

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OK, I'll try to introduce less facts and data in future and just "go with the gut feeling" (But you won't get me to inhale)

Don't you hate it when people spoil your argument by bringing in actual data and statistics?

And on the stats - Heroin issue -  

You might say that it is skewed by the base numbers of users, for each of your drug categories.  In other words the stats reflect the... hm!!..popularity and rate of use in that community. THAT would seem obvious!

But... .just one issue .....stats from SA - where a different approach to marijuana has been operating, cannot be applied to the wider community with any credibility, whether or not it serves your argument... It is entirely questionable that your stats in anyway reflect on the actuality, as you claim.
And Heroin???????
There are many more heroin users living a normal productive life,  - as much as they can in this ludicrous sad WOD environment - -------------than any of YOU lot -  you  know - the non-inhalers- would ever dream of.

muso wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 6:24pm:


Quite right too. I can't tolerate coffee, altho i do love the smell.  No its the caffeine.! I guess I'm faast enough! cos coffee or sudafed- type drugs make me feel shaky, sweaty, with an increased awareness of my heart rate -etc - YUK!   No thanks.!   BUT  I do enjoy immensely - a cup a good tea.or 6.  I drink as much as I feel like drinking, and am definitely addicted to tea.
Seems I had my first at 6 mths of age. ! But if yo gotta be addicted to something - I'd recommend tea.!!!!

And your little experiment with codeine - to help with a particularly nasty flu - was not wise, given your relatively pristine body.  Thy body is thy temple,  apparently .
See -  unknowingly, you did overdose -  and of all Opiates -  CODEINE has to be the most harmful to the system that has to process it through your body.
AND  ???hmm ???  it is the ONLY opiate that can be purchased over the Pharmacy counter, without a prescription, as far as I know.!!!(does THAT make sense? No.)
It is a highly 'refined' product - often combined with another killer to the kidneys, Paracetamol.  Scaringly easy to do permanent damage to yourself if you overindulge in any such mixed product. Or straight Parac. for that matter.  People successfully and deliberately commit suicide by overdosing on good old Panadol. Did you know that?

Hey- they even sell it to parents, to give to infants!!!  (Much easier for the parent don't you know? )

I believe in giving one's body a relatively simple ride. Drink lots of water, eat when you feel like it, no cordials or cola's and such, only mineral or soda water,  -  eat what you feel like eating - but that excludes ALL fast food multi-nat.s - and fast food generally. Fish and chips once in a while - a BBQ Chook from the supermarket once evry few months, if that frequently .... the only Fast food I will admit to eating is -yep- Subway- but even then only very ocassionally,  but- more often than Chook!
MY POINT?  
Everyone needs to be more aware of what they are putting into their bodies.  DRUGS  are significant no doubt about it -  BUT food - nutrition -  is much more important.

SO  - my point is - all this angst so publicly generated ..publicly funded, all over ...is really a red herring - in the wider scheme of things.
 Why do people waste their time so - crying out about something they've never even tried, --- when there are so many more important things in the world that would benefit from a bit of passion.???

Why do people deliberately turn on their own (family, tribe, clan) and commit bloody murder? Literally and figuratively?

Well -  I guess if I knew the answers to that I could found my own religion.!!

If you've got a heroin habit, you've always got heroin in your system and the vast majority of doses you take are purely maintenance doses - they don't give you any stoned effect but rather just allow you to continue to feel straight (i.e. neither hanging out or stoned).

In those cases, I suspect the impairment would be negligable - perhaps not even detectable. You'll pass any sobriety test.

Take too much or have no tolerance and the stuff will knock you off your feet (rather blissfully I might add).

It's a real can of worms when your talking about the relativity of one drug to another.
Most times it comes down to the value of the resultant drug in respects to a capitalist idealism.
IMO, these aspects are very closely related. Much moreso than than the closely linked molecules of particular substances.

Yes we are adult human beings, and yes we like to take mind altering substances. Not much has changed since about the time that mankind discovered the ability to make war on one another.

Using Muso's logic, this would be sure proof that drugs will therefore cause wars. ..I don't disagree that they can in fact be a pretext for wars when it includes money. Hello (world's worst president ever) George - "Hail to the thief", said Radiohead.

Overwhelmingly, the drugs that are most widely desired, have a propensity against wars and fighting.
One of the most potent, and probably the most sinister legal drug in use today causes wholesale aggression and family disunity.

If we were to truly govern ourselves, then we'd have websites such as this one http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/home.php not only at our fingertips, but recommended as a guide beyond the obvious lack of knowledge that politicians have on such subjects.

When a government tells you to take responsibility, they are in fact meaning for you to take responsibility for the life that they demand you to lead. They don't want you to think for yourself, they don't want you to have your own life, they want you to be theirs.
And you'd better believe that they want to feed you drugs that will make you want to fight for their own self-interests.

But anyway, back to the subject of pot.
Obsolutely no proof exists that it is significantly harmful to one's health or to the health of others. Most probably the opposite.

Of course, it was definitely harmful to the U.S. in Vietnam. The yankee hierarchy obviously hate it...and so should we.

Yep - good old sarcasm - the lowest form of humour, someone once called it.  Don't see why  - although - being such a literal soul, I sometimes (or more  )........ miss it.!!! Even tho I employ it myself all the time. Though usually only in person to person verbal communication.  And on this forum, now and then.

See  - people's brains do work in different ways, and I find it a constant
in any argument over '' whatever?" - that the parties involved,
having explained THEIR view,
fully expect  that the other will listen, understand, and in so comprehending their argument ,  will  AGREE. !!!!!!!!!!!!    Conflict arises when one is NOT convinced, obviously, if the issue is important..

I know I expect to sometimes  instil enlightenment when I expand on my views, and I'm pretty damn sure that this applies to most who post.  Because we believe our view has value in the world - it is EGO.   

So - ??

-  So what?  This sort of touches on another topic I post to - about 'Evil'.  And another one - on the carbon /CC miasma.

People will believe what they do, and it really isn't worth raising a sweat over it, if its something against your beliefs.  Live and Let Live.
So?

Legalise it!!!!!!!!! 

Don't interpret me as being totally inflexible. In a recent meeting on drugs testing, most of the rest of them had the "Sack em" mentality. I asked what they would do if somebody tested positive for opiates? - sack 'em. (yeah, nods and smug smiles around the room)

What if the test showed that it was Cold and Flu tablets.
- Oh that's different.  They could go on working.

You do know that a metabolite for codeine is morphine?
- Yeah but there's another one. They can tell that it's cold and flu tablets. We have to be reasonable.

I think you're missing the point. What you're saying is that somebody could extract the codeine from say cold and flu tablets and get totally high on the morphine metabolite, but they would get off and even be allowed to keep working, while a "nasty" heroin user who was borderline positive would be out the door before you can talk.  

- no response (puzzled looks).

It's not a clear cut issue by any means.

Well  -  I think - and have for a while, that such drug-testing 'policies'  are suspect-  albeit a claim that its in the interests of public safety.  Shite!
I have never faced such a situation in a workplace - ...  and do not think it efficacious for the better running of any enterprise.!
The thought that an employer !  - who wants my labor,  can lawfully do same, is really a reflection, is it not?, of Fascism at work in our own good old Oz society.!!!

If you want to try and consider this from a human rights/obvious perspective -
it shows just how far right / extreme our laws have become, in some very important spheres..... I needn't name them, they get yelled at us every time we turn on the NEWS!!!!!
And - this Fascism seeks to encompass us all in its grasp. 

For a PERFECT EXAMPLE -  listen to the L/N Coalition- and particularly - yep - u got it , the rabid rabbit Abbott.
He is trying VERY HARD , to get all you closet fascists to do his job for  him.  Suckers!!

Yuch Yic eeuw -  any one I hear spouting such populist garbage to all and sundry, loses my respect.

Not that you would care less of course.