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Reply #240 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 7:54am

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In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

LOL. 2 out of 3 would only be possible symptoms of NOT having weed. The other is debatable, and highly dependent on the dosage and time elapsed since taking it.
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If that's the case, I've never had those symptoms. I've never smoked week either.

The point I'm making is that the most dangerous symptoms are associated with withdrawal and long term effects associated with its use - not necessarily acute symptoms, apart from the slow reaction time of course - and I doubt if anybody could reasonably dispute the latter.

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Reply #241 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 8:03am

Emma wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:56pm:

Yeah Boogie

and MUSO!!!! what are you saying..???.....................

Haven't I informed you before???? your views have no reality - in the REAL WORLD.
These scientific studies are of ONLY scientific interest. And how is it you ignore 'scientific studies' which DO NOT support your view? HMMM?

I do beg your pardon. I now realise that I have to inhale to impart any "rationality" to the argument. I need to partake in the ganja inhalation ceremony to gain entry to the portals of your real world.

I think I prefer my REAL WORLD to yours.

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Reply #242 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:01am

muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 7:54am:

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

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In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

LOL. 2 out of 3 would only be possible symptoms of NOT having weed. The other is debatable, and highly dependent on the dosage and time elapsed since taking it.
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If that's the case, I've never had those symptoms. I've never smoked week either.

The point I'm making is that the most dangerous symptoms are associated with withdrawal and long term effects associated with its use - not necessarily acute symptoms, apart from the slow reaction time of course - and I doubt if anybody could reasonably dispute the latter.

You'd be surprised!!! As I said, it's dependent on the dose and time elpased since taking it. Now I know you won't believe anything unless it's been published in peer-reviewed journals, but us here in the real world have a thing called experience. Experience tells us that in low doses, cannabis seems to enhance concentration, not hinder it.
Besides, with 18 years martia; arts training under my belt, I can safely say that my drunken reaction time would be quicker than average joes sober reaction time. Well....maybe not super drunk, but merry.

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Reply #243 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:01pm

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muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 7:54am:

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

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In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

LOL. 2 out of 3 would only be possible symptoms of NOT having weed. The other is debatable, and highly dependent on the dosage and time elapsed since taking it.
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If that's the case, I've never had those symptoms. I've never smoked week either.

The point I'm making is that the most dangerous symptoms are associated with withdrawal and long term effects associated with its use - not necessarily acute symptoms, apart from the slow reaction time of course - and I doubt if anybody could reasonably dispute the latter.

You'd be surprised!!! As I said, it's dependent on the dose and time elpased since taking it.

That figures.

So the longer the time elapsed since taking it, the more likely you are to agree that it causes slow reaction time? Tongue

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Reply #244 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:06pm

muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:01pm:

... wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 7:54am:

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

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In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

LOL. 2 out of 3 would only be possible symptoms of NOT having weed. The other is debatable, and highly dependent on the dosage and time elapsed since taking it.
.

If that's the case, I've never had those symptoms. I've never smoked week either.

The point I'm making is that the most dangerous symptoms are associated with withdrawal and long term effects associated with its use - not necessarily acute symptoms, apart from the slow reaction time of course - and I doubt if anybody could reasonably dispute the latter.

You'd be surprised!!! As I said, it's dependent on the dose and time elpased since taking it.

That figures.

So the longer the time elapsed since taking it, the more likely you are to agree that it causes slow reaction time? Tongue

Peoples reaction times get slower as they age, do they not?

So why are 80 year olds allowed to drive? Surely they'd have slower reaction times than a 21 year old who is blazed off his nut.

aaanyhoo...we're not talking about it being legal to drive under the influence, we're talking about it being legal fullstop. How quick does one's reaction times need to be to simply go about their daily business?

I doubt anyone could dispute that IF (and that's a huuuuge if) weed makes one 'aggressive' and have 'mood swings' alcohol does at least twice as bad.

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Reply #245 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:33pm

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I doubt anyone could dispute that IF (and that's a huuuuge if) weed makes one 'aggressive' and have 'mood swings' alcohol does at least twice as bad.

No argument there. That's why they have roadside testing. Of course that roadside testing doen't detect all impairment by any means.

Studies (eg Royal Adelaide Hospital Trauma study 2007) show that where admitted drivers of road accidents tested positive for drugs or alcohol, alcohol was the biggest factor in road accidents, followed by marijuana. Here are the figures:

Alcohol - 22.6%
THC - 17.5%
Benzodiazepines - 14.7%
Amphetamines - 6.9%
Opiates - 3.3%

As you can see, benzodiazepines is also a biggie. There are far too many people driving around under the influence of sleeping tablets, sedatives etc.

I'm not the one arguing that THC is worse than alcohol. It's almost as bad in terms of total effect.

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Reply #247 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:39pm

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Peoples reaction times get slower as they age, do they not?

So why are 80 year olds allowed to drive? Surely they'd have slower reaction times than a 21 year old who is blazed off his nut.

If you want the most accurate guage of that, you just have to look at insurance premiums. These guys in the insurance industry make it their business to know who has the most accidents, and it's not the 80+ age range either.

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Reply #248 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:41pm

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I'm not the one arguing that THC is worse than alcohol. It's almost as bad in terms of total effect.

By what measure is it even in the same league?

Look at the studies. I quoted one of them in the last post. There are heaps of others from overseas. Not sure if they are online, but I have most of them on my computer at work.

Edit - I just found another website that quotes from that study (how about that?):

http://www.bsspsych.com.au/fitnessForWork.cfm

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Reply #249 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:49pm

muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

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Peoples reaction times get slower as they age, do they not?

So why are 80 year olds allowed to drive? Surely they'd have slower reaction times than a 21 year old who is blazed off his nut.

If you want the most accurate guage of that, you just have to look at insurance premiums. These guys in the insurance industry make it their business to know who has the most accidents, and it's not the 80+ age range either.

Hmmmm....I don't trust insurance companies, they just seem to charge what they can get away with. For instance, it's common knowledge that women pay lower preiums than men, becasue supposedly they are safer drivers, right?

Wrong.

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Subject to the data provided and the assumptions on which the analysis was based, this report shows some remarkable findings regarding casualty accident risks in Victoria during 1994. These include:

•the generally higher casualty accident rate per kilometre driven by female drivers compared to males. For more severe crashes these differences tended to disappear and there were no statistically significant differences between female and male fatal crash risks

http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/muarc088.html

and in a simialr vein to this, 80 year olds don't do a whole lot of driving compared to other groups. Overall numbver of accidents don't take this into account.

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Reply #250 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:53pm

muso wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

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I'm not the one arguing that THC is worse than alcohol. It's almost as bad in terms of total effect.

By what measure is it even in the same league?

Look at the studies. I quoted one of them in the last post. There are heaps of others from overseas. Not sure if they are online, but I have most of them on my computer at work.

Edit - I just found another website that quotes from that study (how about that?):

http://www.bsspsych.com.au/fitnessForWork.cfm

the study seems to fall into the same slippery slope argument that they all do. - Nobody is saying it should be allowed to blaze up whenever and wherever you want. You wouldn't (or shouldn't) go to work pissed, so why would you go to work stoned?

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Reply #251 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:08pm

This is all good guys - it becomes clearer and clearer, so lets keep going.

If I had some of my old reference books I'd thro in a few studies too. They went - west --- and I believe some are now considered illegal!!!. SHOCK! Censorship Warning.

And frankly I dislike computers intensely, -- so I won't be 'googling' it. OK?

Muso - your penchant for throwing in OOOOOOOOps got to go

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Reply #252 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:37pm

I'm back

So Muso - your penchant for throwing statistics at every argument is sort of endearing. Wink

Your determination to cling to........ 'what's on paper,..............it's real!'. Huh

Sorry dear- the world is ruled by chaos not order.

Your use of same is like a fundamentalist religious - using his interpretation of his written doctrine, to support his own personal view. Or - even .. an Economist.!!!or Accountant.!!

AND - you are welcome to it --

MY motto - one of my motto's -
not always possible - I know -

Is Live and Let Live.

SO - I'll digress...............

Oh if only we could !!L&LL!!!!!!!! - this species of creature we belong to, in this urbanised society in particular, is CHIMP. !!!! Very chimp oriented.

Personally ---------.....

I vote for BONNOBO'S.!!!!!!!!!.

If you haven't looked into B v C or JUST Bonnobo - you should.!

But seems obvious there are more chimps than bonnobos. A real shame that!. Sad

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #253 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:42pm Oh -- yeah -- also Tee hee -- Wes- Mr Pipes - the Insurance bit? HOW any 80yr olds ARE driving now. My thoughts exactly. Bloody Load of Bollocks Muso.!
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Reply #254 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 11:01pm

Oh -- yeah --

Martial Arts-- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most excellent.

So much improvement in my physical self over the yrs---- old injuries-- (prior to starting in martial arts at a relatively late stage of life) --- old injuries no longer allow me to participate in my preferred forms. However - to those with a genuine interest in their long term health - as they age - I can only suggest shifting to the Taoist path and Tai Chi.

I have trained in Japanese and Chinese forms. My love is Ju Jutsu - my solace Tai Chi.

And - I find this form difficult.! Against my previously martial intent. It is hard to allow that knowledge to adapt to the Tao. I have to confess - I have failed. Which is no doubt obvious to anyone who reads my posts.

BUT I still remember - and I do try to encompass the principles in my daily life. Occasionally I succeed.

You know?

So - why not start a Martial Arts topic. ??????

Must be lots of us out there - past and present.!!!!!!!

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