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Reply #225 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 9:54pm

Yep --- even worse than the war on womd or the war on terrorism. Why?? Because_

the illegal gains made are used to fund terrorist (homegrown and international) activities, and so the Law is making criminals rich -- at the EXPENSE of every taxpayer.

HEAR THAT ? TAXPAYERS??? YOU indirectly, by failure to act appropriately, are funding terrorist activities, throughout the world.!

NOT as far fetched as you'd like to believe, - as you do believe. 'Cos u r all suckers.

One of the great cons of all time - demonise POT and MAKE TRILLIONS!!!!

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boogieman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 307	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #226 - Jul 5^th, 2011 at 7:07pm James Bluntus wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 3:08pm: Legalise, decrimilise or keep illegal? Just accept reality and remove any penalty at all. We'll use it regardless so why bother? Are they keen to fill up jails and corrupt cops? As that's all they are achieving.
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Reply #227 - Jul 5^th, 2011 at 7:15pm

Emma wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 9:54pm:

Yep --- even worse than the war on womd or the war on terrorism. Why?? Because_

the illegal gains made are used to fund terrorist (homegrown and international) activities, and so the Law is making criminals rich -- at the EXPENSE of every taxpayer.

HEAR THAT ? TAXPAYERS??? YOU indirectly, by failure to act appropriately, are funding terrorist activities, throughout the world.!

NOT as far fetched as you'd like to believe, - as you do believe. 'Cos u r all suckers.

One of the great cons of all time - demonise POT and MAKE TRILLIONS!!!!

Terrorists? Are you nuts? The people who grow the best are patriots, to their countries. We call them terrorists but they call them freedom fighters.

Of course the govt is the worst terrorist of the lot, particularly the US govt and they are dumb enough to try and stop the dope flowing. How stupid are they?

Suckers? I think you mean puffers don't you? More than a hint of wowserism going on here? How much booze do you drink by the way? And cigarettes, how many of them have you smoked? How much petrol have you used? Polluting the air I need mate, stop it. Smoke dope and stay at home, it's healthy for the planet.

Your plea to taxcpayers should be "LEGALISE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CRIME AND COSTS FOR THAT AND WE CAN TAX THE SALES TOO."

That's the real story and it is happening in other countries right now. Here? Matter of time mate. Puff puff puff. Do you not understand law is temporary and fleeting?

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Reply #228 - Jul 5^th, 2011 at 7:49pm

boogie you're preaching to the long converted.

The Growers aren't the terrorists, but the networks that market the drug and make the profit are.! In this case I'm thinking of heroin from Pakistan and Afghanistan, eg. - funding Taliban insurgents. If they don't get the profit, then yeah - prob lee ynks .

[b]Your plea to taxcpayers should be "LEGALISE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CRIME AND COSTS FOR THAT AND WE CAN TAX THE SALES TOO."

That's the real story and it is happening in other countries right now. Here? Matter of time mate. Puff puff puff. Do you not understand law is temporary and fleeting? , [/b]

ABSO- f'n-LUTELY!!! If you went back a bit on this thread you would see I consistently hold similar views.
Sadly, THESE laws aren't fleeting enough.!!

I've been waiting 40 yrs- for the world to catch up.!!!!

Embarrassed

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Reply #229 - Jul 6^th, 2011 at 9:15am

Cybergenesis wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:24pm:

I am bound eternally by great chains to my mistress, Maryjane.

The ignorance in this thread is unworthy of my enlightened self.

Don't ask questions from the academics, smoke marijuana and then you will know the truth!

I challenge you, yes you! Go get high on Maryjane and you will no longer be her enemy. She will blow your mind. She is my ho and I am her pimp!

Yours sincerely,

A very stoned follower of Maryjane.

PS LEGALIZE WEED, DON'T BITCH ON MY WEED, NARCS

That's way too subtle for marijuana smokers Grin

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Reply #230 - Jul 6^th, 2011 at 9:20am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:25pm:

There are levels of intoxication with pot, and the fact is that unless you are totally wiped out, you could easily drive better, with a bit of a buzz on.
I used to be a pretty keen surfer, snow skier, and rock climber, all endeavours that require great skill, and co-ordination, and I enjoyed, and excelled at all these activities while pretty well baked.

There are of course limitations, and I do not think we should be promoting that people drive under any level of intoxication, but if we are being honest, we must acknowledge that certain types, and levels of "altered" consciousness, can actually improve peoples abilities, to varying degrees, in some circumstances.

The US style sobriety test is something I have always considered to be something worth developing to a more refined level, so we can actually test peoples ability at the time, rather than just test what is in their system, and assume that they are therefore in a dangerously unfit state.

You have to look at the whole picture. We are streets ahead of the US in terms of testing for impairment.

If somebody slows down and drives extremely carefully as a result of a cannabis hit, that should be good. - right?

- What about the effect of a slow driver on other drivers?

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Reply #231 - Jul 6^th, 2011 at 5:24pm

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- What about the effect of a slow driver on other drivers?

What about it?

What about the "Wipe off 5" and the "Slowing down won't kill you" ad campaigns? Should we be able to sue these advertisiers?

Unfortunately you won't find any bonafide data on the effects of driving whilst under the influence of pot as all indications point to it having a negligible (if not non-existent) effect on driving ability and a positive net effect upon the road toll.

Pot is more likely to cause one to drive below the bounds of one's actual ability, whereas even a glass or two of alcohol is more likely to cause one to drive above the bounds of actual ability.

The point at which a person's ability becomes hindered purely due to pot would probably be debatable to even the most hardened of pot users.
Personally, from my limited experience, I wouldn't know where that point is, or if it even exists.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #232 - Jul 6^th, 2011 at 10:36pm the essence of this is --- LEGALISE IT. Prohibition results in FAR MORE HARM, than GOOD.
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Reply #233 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 9:43am

Amadd wrote on Jul 6^th, 2011 at 5:24pm:

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- What about the effect of a slow driver on other drivers?

What about it?

What about the "Wipe off 5" and the "Slowing down won't kill you" ad campaigns? Should we be able to sue these advertisiers?

Unfortunately you won't find any bonafide data on the effects of driving whilst under the influence of pot as all indications point to it having a negligible (if not non-existent) effect on driving ability and a positive net effect upon the road toll.

Pot is more likely to cause one to drive below the bounds of one's actual ability, whereas even a glass or two of alcohol is more likely to cause one to drive above the bounds of actual ability.

The point at which a person's ability becomes hindered purely due to pot would probably be debatable to even the most hardened of pot users.
Personally, from my limited experience, I wouldn't know where that point is, or if it even exists.

In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

If you search the www, you'll find lots of advocacy sites for marijuana that state that it don't have no effect, no way no how.....dude.

Ignoring such casual studies (I did not inhale) and concentrating on scientific studies however, there is plenty of evidence.

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Laboratory studies have shown that cannabis compromises reaction time, attention, decision making, time and distance perception, short-term memory, hand-eye coordination, and concentration. These studies have the advantage of being able to test the effects of large doses of cannabis under controlled conditions, but it is unclear to what extent these results apply to real- world driving.

http://ncpic.org.au/ncpic/publications/factsheets/article/cannabis-and-driving

Of course to you dudes, such data is not bonafide because these scientific whackos never smoked a joint in their lives.... .... and you don't like their results....... so there.

Emma wrote on Jul 6^th, 2011 at 10:36pm:

the essence of this is --- LEGALISE IT.

Prohibition results in FAR MORE HARM, than GOOD. Sad

wgt dudette!

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Reply #234 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:52am

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In summary: - mood swings, aggressive behaviour, slow reaction time....

LOL. 2 out of 3 would only be possible symptoms of NOT having weed. The other is debatable, and highly dependent on the dosage and time elapsed since taking it.

A wee bit of advcie though - invoking the sterotype of a stoner ie the 'california surfer duuuuude' just makes you look silly, and doesn't make your argument any more compelling.

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Reply #235 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 11:00am

That's a terrible argument there muso. Sad

I'm really disappointed in that.

Strawmen, bs, non-replies, discolouration of facts..etc. You've just about included all of the worst aspects of the human condition there muso.

I'll get back to that extremely disappointing reply, but not now.
I'm too disappointed to reply atm. You've really disheartened me with that rubbish.

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boogieman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 307	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #236 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm James Bluntus wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 3:08pm: Legalise, decrimilise or keep illegal? What do you reckon Jimbo?
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Reply #237 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm

Emma wrote on Jul 5^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

boogie you're preaching to the long converted.

The Growers aren't the terrorists, but the networks that market the drug and make the profit are.! In this case I'm thinking of heroin from Pakistan and Afghanistan, eg. - funding Taliban insurgents. If they don't get the profit, then yeah - prob lee ynks .

[b]Your plea to taxcpayers should be "LEGALISE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CRIME AND COSTS FOR THAT AND WE CAN TAX THE SALES TOO."

That's the real story and it is happening in other countries right now. Here? Matter of time mate. Puff puff puff. Do you not understand law is temporary and fleeting? , [/b]

ABSO- f'n-LUTELY!!! If you went back a bit on this thread you would see I consistently hold similar views.
Sadly, THESE laws aren't fleeting enough.!!

I've been waiting 40 yrs- for the world to catch up.!!!!

Embarrassed

Ditto. Afraid they are in ban mode. Ban everything and stop people doing what they want to do. Has never worked and never will. It just creates criminals doesn't it?

What will they do after smoking and alcohol are banned? There won't be anyone left on the banning side will there? We'll all be criminals and can take it all back.

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Reply #238 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 10:56pm

Yeah Boogie

and MUSO!!!! what are you saying..???......................These studies have the advantage of being able to test the effects of large doses of cannabis under controlled conditions, but it is unclear to what extent these results apply to real- world driving.

But you will back them ? - these 'scientific studies ' - so - called?, over massive experience that is au contraire??.

Haven't I informed you before???? your views have no reality - in the REAL WORLD.
These scientific studies are of ONLY scientific interest. And how is it you ignore 'scientific studies' which DO NOT support your view? HMMM?
And - after all- don't we often find- in time- that these conclusions - drawn from outdated or biased data- are - in fact incorrect.??

Ignore your comrades at your peril.

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Reply #239 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 11:16pm

Oh Yeah - Boogie?
TPTB (the powers that be) (just made that up by the way!

) do reek somewhat with the whiff of '1984' - and Big Brother.
We all know this - whether or not we acknowledge it. !!
And many embrace it!!!! as evidenced by many comments on this thread, whether the posters 'see' it or not.

Personally I'm for freedom of thought - and experience, and opposed to the seemingly obsessive need for Govt to 'control' the people, -- to the extent that 'they' can say get pissed and have a good old party - get stoned and you are damned to eventual madness and death.!!!!!!!!!!
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