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Reply #195 - Jun 3rd, 2011 at 3:56am
 
Its about the MEDICAL position,
of which the Government (POLITICS) is doing well to support by making it illegal.


........I think you are going to have a very nasty experience soon Jalane, in relation to your use and support of Pot.
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Reply #196 - Jun 3rd, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
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A GROUP of prominent former world leaders said the so-called war on drugs has "failed" and that decriminalising marijuana may help curb drug-related violence and social ills.
"The global war on drugs has failed, with devastating consequences for individuals and societies around the world," the members of the Global Commission on Drug Policy say in a report.

"Fifty years after the initiation of the UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and 40 years after President (Richard) Nixon launched the US government's war on drugs, fundamental reforms in national and global drug control policies are urgently needed."

"Decriminalisation initiatives do not result in significant increases in drug use," the report said, citing policies in Australia, the Netherlands and Portugal.

It also said restrictions on marijuana should be loosened, and urged governments to "end the criminalisation, marginalisation and stigmatisation of people who use drugs but who do no harm to others".

The commission includes former Brazilian president Fernando Cardoso, former Colombian president Cesar Gaviria, Mexico's former president Ernesto Zedillo and the ex-UN chief Kofi Annan.

It presents its report officially tomorrow in New York.

The group of prominent statesmen, many from countries on the frontline of the seemingly never-ending war on drugs, said purely punitive measures had in fact led to a situation where "the global scale of illegal drug markets - largely controlled by organised crime - has grown dramatically."

"Encourage experimentation by governments with models of legal regulation of drugs (especially cannabis) to undermine the power of organised crime and safeguard the health and security of their citizens," the report urged.

Another priority, the report said, is to work on treatment.

"Let's start by treating drug addiction as a health issue, reducing drug demand through proven educational initiatives and legally regulating rather than criminalising cannabis," Mr Cardoso said.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/decriminalising-marijuana-worth-a-try/story-e6frfkz0-1226067885880#ixzz1OC2iuFCo
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Reply #197 - Jun 3rd, 2011 at 7:14pm
 
Hope you read Mr Pipe's post -  so I don't have to say it all again, Jasign.!! Huh  OK?  
Give you ANY pause???
This NASTY BUSINESS you refer to, happening to me soon. ???
[i]Care to elucidate???[/i]
SBS 6.30 World News tonight TONIGHT -gave a look at this very announcement. Didn't catch it earlier, and have ABC on now to see if it appears there.!!
In fact, SBS tonight was a veritable feast of some the major issues confronting us - as a World.!!
Hope you saw it.

Try reconsidering your position - you'll feel HEAPS better. Wink

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Reply #198 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:28pm
 
Its amazing the amount of ignorance in this thread.

* Marijuana does not cause psychosis in people that will not otherwise develop psychosis. Marijuana does not increase the incidence of schizophrenia.

* There is no reliable evidence showing Marijuana is causative of the development of any form of mental illness.

* Hydro is not stronger than outdoor weed. It is to do with genetics. Good outdoor weed is every bit as good as hydro, although my opinion is hydro is a superior growing method for many reasons.

* It is impossible to overdose or die from Marijuana, unlike alcohol, nicotine and coffee.

* Marijuana is far safer than both the use of cigarettes and the misuse of alcohol.

* Marijuana is only psychologically addictive to people with ingrained psychological problems that use it as a crux to escape their problems. Such people are much better off using Marijuana than using other, more damaging drugs- which they would likely use if Marijuana wasn't so widely available.

* Marijuana helped me escape chronic alcoholism. And I was a dangerous, violent nutcase on alcohol (highly dangerous, I have nearly been shot dead by the police on Alcohol), whereas I am harmless on Marijuana (except if you have a bag of mcdonalds cheeseburgers on you)

Marijuana should be legal, its pathetic that its not. A responsible adult should have the right to use marijuana if they want. Enough with the Nanny government, but guess what? Endless Australian's say bugger YOU to prohibition and use it anyway. I've been using it for over 20 years and NEVER been busted by the police. bugger THE POLICE.

Hope this has cleared up some misconceptions to the many idiotic opinions in this thread, please don't talk about things you know NOTHING about.
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Reply #199 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:51pm
 
I prefer to believe the Medics (the real ones ...not the Western ones who are more apt at winning wars and should stick to what they do best and not justifying excuses for Drug Addicts) ...obviously. Roll Eyes

You forgot to mention that Marijuana lowers your ability to cope with everyday life and the everday people who live in it and have to put up with the 'excuses' made by people who smoke it.
OH&S had to enforce the "Use of Harnesses" at construction sites where high elevation work was carried out. In the old days, nobody fell off roofs in the way that a stream of young guys did in the 90's. It was never promoted in the Media, to protect the family's honour, but all the young victims were under the influence of Pot.
...as was a Ferry Driver when it crashed.
as were Train Drivers in accidents,
as are a lot of people who are too slow to react and 'forgetful'.
Schizophrenic behaviour is totally associated with the use of Pot (only a drug addict would say otherwise and bring out crap dis-information to support so).

Life is hard enough. I got sacked because I decked a Pot head who was placing motorists and Pedestrians in danger during a Traffic Control job. He was just too "laid back/chilled out" , in other words "LAZY" to do his job and he was also Aggressive in his alco usage. The residual effect was that he was hard to 'work' with and I was stuck with him because no-one else wanted to work with him. Eventually, after 6 weeks of 'trying', I had enough and didn't care that he was 'Bigger' than me as he emphasised when we first met where he told me that he has 'Certain behaviour problems and he becomes agressive'. In other words - he thought he could threaten/bully me with some 'medical crapola excuse for abuse. Well I was no longer working as a Medic and I didn't have to tolerate such behaviour in the slightest. Its funny how, after disobeying my instructions as Leading Hand, he raised the "Stop" sign to protect him Grin.

There's a lot of people out there that don't need to tolerate your behaviour due to your addiction to Pot and its not just due to 'criminal' behaviour. Some Medics like the Govt Public System will protect your 'excuse', while others like the Private just say "Get out of my way fool!" ...then there's the other Medics Angry

...I'm just trying to protect you from yourselves, let alone innocent people/family/friends who suffer from your apathetic approach to life. "You don't need the weed." They don't call it "Dope" for the sake of it. Go out and do something for others, rather than feed a selfish need.
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Reply #200 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 6:37pm
 
Welcome Cybergenesis to this crapshoot.!! Smiley

As you can see from Jasign's response to your post, trying to point out some facts wont work with J. Roll Eyes

Now- the response was also informative, in that J admits an extreme bias against Pot, and Pot smokers, to the extent that J becomes violent.!!! And- it wasn't entirely coherent.

I commend you on your post, Cybergenesis - - and just quietly, I agree with you all the way, even Bush vs Hydro.

But -  your MOST IMPORTANT point, - a personal disclosure of how Pot allowed you to escape the alcohol addiction you had, was excellent.  And  good to hear. !! Smiley
Since the age of (say) 18 - I have believed that legal marijuana would prove of huge benefit to alcoholics, at the least, to kick their deadly habits.
So -  I have acquired enough ACTUAL knowledge and experience to say I do understand this whole issue quite well.
I have mourned friends who died from alcohol fuelled violence - suicide- and murder. 
I have seen people OD on other illegal drugs, altho not die  ...but nothing like alcohol harm.

AND  good luck to u cyber - good to hear a new voice. Smiley

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Reply #201 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 7:23pm
 
Then I expect you never to go to a Hospital again Jalane, because you obviously know whats good for your health.
So when your lungs pack it in and neumonia takes hold ...you won't be crying to the Medical Industry "why do I have lungs like a jogger in a polluted city?"
When you're old and grey and the Emphasema makes it all an effort - you won't be eating raw tins of coffee just to keep you 'active' in your own little way. You won't be needing the nasal prongs too, I suppose.

But we know you will, we know you'll go running to the Public system for your 'free' care like the 'bludger' that you are - with all your anxiety from lack of oxygen in your blood stream, you'll even cry foul and go for the 'law suit' because of your 'health' problem.

Violent? Not my fault you bang your head upon my brick wall.
With that ...I'll be making an effort to no longer post upon this Topic. I can't say I'll succeed, but at least I make an effort - unlike potheads who just can't be bothered to do much but 'chill out' and go to sleep.


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Reply #202 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 7:40pm
 
Well actually J - I am already old and gray (altho I prefer to call it 'Silver').

It would be MOST welcome if you did F off.!! Your ignorance is uninspiring, and definitely tiresome to endure, altho strangely AMUSING. Strangely?  because nothing much you actually say is humorous in the least, and that was your last 'out'.

'.... at least I make an effort - unlike potheads who just can't be bothered to do much but 'chill out' and go to sleep...'

Well - you are clearly NOT referring to me.  
More irrelevancy. Roll Eyes

I can appreciate that it may give you some personal release to spray a bit of vitriol around, - after all - it doesn't penetrate the monitor's screen.!!  Too BAD - U R so unbalanced in your rhetoric. Roll Eyes.






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Reply #203 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 7:52pm
 
Ummm --- last for now - just saying J  - your post - repeated below - WAS  NOT APPRECIATED!!!

Smarten up - fool. Angry Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy - or preferrably - bugger off.!! Cool


........I think you are going to have a very nasty experience soon Jalane, in relation to your use and support of Pot.

See that can definitely be viewed as a threat.
But
I AM NOT paranoid, -   wake-up F-Wit.!! Huh Roll Eyes
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Reply #204 - Jun 5th, 2011 at 1:03am
 
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Reply #205 - Jun 5th, 2011 at 2:06am
 
Wot?
I'm not looking at your vid BVR - what's your point?
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Reply #206 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 6:49am
 
Emma wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 2:50am:
Driving ui?

As it generally opens the mind, rather than muffling it, as with alcohol - I would agree whole-heartedly.

Driving becomes serious business, rather than a complacent and everyday activity, performed on semi-auto.



I remember - years ago now- of a fairly famous US DJ taking part in a test - designed to measure the influence of Pot on driving response times. Compared to same test ui of alcohol.

In fact I think he was also an actor, just can't remember the name, but can see the face.  Hang on  - its coming...ah - the show he was on 'WKRP' or something close, about a radio station, and he played a DJ /Opportunist/Womaniser-type
But - this was a real study.  

Using sensitive equipment to measure reaction time and other responses.   It was funny.
The tester was confounded by the fact that the guy performed better after a smoke of Pot, than he did when they did the base-line test when he was  uninfluenced by either Pot or Alc.  Goes without saying- he went BAD when pissed. More Pot?  Slightly better again.  

Believe it or not!!.

SEE  - we only get told the bad propaganda, 'cos it supports the Govt position.  They daren't let the population as a whole be fully informed -  'cos it proves their lies.  Censorship on this topic is HUGE.
 
Its been happening for years. Angry  


I think I remember that episode Jalane...
Although it was bourbon, not pot..

It featured a State Trooper, another DJ(Venus Flytrap, maybe), and a character called Dr Johnny Fever..who was permanently hung over..

Johnny's reactions got faster, the more he drank..
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Reply #207 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:43pm
 
Emma wrote on Jun 5th, 2011 at 2:06am:
Wot?
I'm not looking at your vid BVR - what's your point?



Put the bong down Jalane and click on the link you might learn something
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Reply #208 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:22pm
 
Years ago I took part in a study on the effects of cannabis on driving.

The "stoned" group had to complete the tests first while they were straight and then in the afternoon do them while stoned.

Heaps got sent away first thing because they turned up stoned. It was pretty funny.
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Reply #209 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 8:25pm
 
Years ago I took part in a study on the effects of cannabis on driving.
Well - what were the results??  Smiley  Sounds like a fun sort of study. Smiley


The "stoned" group had to complete the tests first while they were straight and then in the afternoon do them while stoned.

Heaps got sent away first thing because they turned up stoned. It was pretty funny.


Wink Grin  Sounds funny.! Grin

And - yeah you're right Gizmo.  It was Dr Johnny Fever.  But - don't remember the other details you refer to.  No big surprise eh?? Wink
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