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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #180 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 2:30am Darn it - got it wrong again. Sorry Lisa, its Jasign who seems unable to answer the question about the vid posted by Jasign. But - hey maybe you can answer?? Did you get it?
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Reply #181 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 4:04am

I could count on less than one finger those who partook in any substance abuse who had the specific the goal to use it as an aid to steal from others.

Cannibis is not a physically addictive drug. It will not make one steal from others as a physical "necessity".

Heroin will, and so too will many other drugs..including basic food.
A lack of food will make even the most mild mannered character rob you, or even kill you if needs be.

So keep a look out for those hungry people OK? Wink

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Reply #182 - May 29^th, 2011 at 11:11pm

Cannibis is not a physically addictive drug. It will not make one steal from others as a physical "necessity".

Yeah -- so what is the problem?? ( Not asking you A - just everyone else with an interest.)

People seem to feel some moral obligation to frown on 'using drugs' - tho I bet you - 99% of them do use drugs, of one sort or another. Many of them dangerous, and capable of causing death.

I bet you many of them only say these things 'cos they don't want any hassles, they want to fit in. Much easier to go along with the phobic, than challenge their fears.

And I wouldn't care - but the policy divides our society, and creates strata's of folk that are unecessary cause for much harm. The young see the fallacy of the war on drugs, the harm it creates, -- and can then only wonder ( at the very least) about the validity of other of society's law. So we alienate the young, - they lose respect for conventions - and people face the issues confronting us TODAY.
Dem's da facts Jack. Tongue

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #183 - May 30^th, 2011 at 12:18am I'mmmmmmmmm Sooooooooorrrrrryyyyyyyyyy, I'mmmmmmmmm jusssssst aaaaaaaa biiiiiiiit slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww toooooooooo we-act whennnnnnnnnn sssssssssssssssssstooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnn'd. Esssssssssspeshellyyyyyyyyyyy wheennnnnnnnnnnn d ...d ...driii ...vinnnnnng Jalane - the Stop Sign
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #184 - May 30^th, 2011 at 12:53am Yea good old TISM again - thanks for that Wot's yer prob?? Too much Valium??
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #185 - May 31^st, 2011 at 3:43pm No, just too many pot-heads trying to by-pass 'illegalities' in order to justify themselves in the face of proper Medical efforts on behalf of a better world.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #186 - May 31^st, 2011 at 3:57pm Guffaw!!
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Reply #187 - May 31^st, 2011 at 9:26pm

There was interesting thingy on The Drum site a few days ago about the relationship between the use of modern type pot and the onset of a hardcore case of pyschosis.

It was about 8 years ago I met someone who had ended up in a rubber room after her first smoke of pot and since then I've known of one other.

I can't say I'd ever met or heard of anybody so affected before then - especially when near 90% of the people I associated with smoked pot.

Based on what I've heard and read over the past five or so years I'd say that there's probably something in the whole link between cannabis use and the onset of some kind of lasting or chronic psychosis - something that seemingly didn't exist back when I used to bong on all day, everyday.

The last time I smoked pot was about 5 years ago and I must say I was surprised at just how potent the gear was. I commented on it and as a reply got a few shrugs and the comment that "meh.... it's average".

Is it addictive? nope. Habit forming perhaps. But certainly not physically addictive. Few drugs are. Heroin certainly, Nicotine certainly, Benzos certainly, Alcohol certainly - the rest..... debatable at best.... but when it comes down to it: no.

And to put the disclaimer that seems usual in this thread:

I haven't used pcp, mescaline or meow.

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Reply #188 - May 31^st, 2011 at 10:33pm

The last time I smoked pot was about 5 years ago and I must say I was surprised at just how potent the gear was. I commented on it and as a reply got a few shrugs and the comment that "meh.... it's average".

Is it addictive? nope. Habit forming perhaps. But certainly not physically addictive. Few drugs are. Heroin certainly, Nicotine certainly, Benzos certainly, Alcohol certainly - the rest..... debatable at best.... but when it comes down to it: no.

And to put the disclaimer that seems usual in this thread:

I haven't used pcp, mescaline or meow.

Ah yes - another problem with a black market commodity. If you can make it smaller ( easier to hide) and stronger, (easier to sell) it will happen.
That is the nature of humans, given a challenge - like unjust laws, ... to use and 'tailor' the fruits of the earth -
so we see 'Hydro' - gear much more potent per gm than Bush Bud, according to reliable sources.!!. Hydro is everywhere - and is not a preferred outcome for the WOD, but , nevertheless it is.
Denying it won't make it go away - any more than whining about climate change or encouraging indefinite child incarceration will solve those issues.
Its a matter of grasping reality- not the fantasy you choose to dwell in. Grin

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Reply #189 - May 31^st, 2011 at 10:44pm

Emma wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 10:33pm:

The last time I smoked pot was about 5 years ago and I must say I was surprised at just how potent the gear was. I commented on it and as a reply got a few shrugs and the comment that "meh.... it's average".

Is it addictive? nope. Habit forming perhaps. But certainly not physically addictive. Few drugs are. Heroin certainly, Nicotine certainly, Benzos certainly, Alcohol certainly - the rest..... debatable at best.... but when it comes down to it: no.

And to put the disclaimer that seems usual in this thread:

I haven't used pcp, mescaline or meow.

Ah yes - another problem with a black market commodity. If you can make it smaller ( easier to hide) and stronger, (easier to sell) it will happen.
That is the nature of humans, given a challenge - like unjust laws, ... to use and 'tailor' the fruits of the earth -
so we see 'Hydro' - gear much more potent per gm than Bush Bud, according to reliable sources.!!. Hydro is everywhere - and is not a preferred outcome for the WOD, but , nevertheless it is.
Denying it won't make it go away - any more than whining about climate change or encouraging indefinite child incarceration will solve those issues.
Its a matter of grasping reality- not the fantasy you choose to dwell in. Grin

I agree with you. From what I've seen, prohibition has simply caused the proliferation of what I call "prohibition drugs".

The restrictions on chems used to make old fashioned speed has given us meth (cousins, but meth is far more habit forming).

The post 90's crack down on Ecstasy has given us the designer drugs like GHB.

The heavier policing of naturally grown pot has given us the stronger hydro types.

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Reply #190 - May 31^st, 2011 at 11:15pm

I agree with you. From what I've seen, prohibition has simply caused the proliferation of what I call "prohibition drugs".

The restrictions on chems used to make old fashioned speed has given us meth (cousins, but meth is far more habit forming).

The post 90's crack down on Ecstasy has given us the designer drugs like GHB.

The heavier policing of naturally grown pot has given us the stronger hydro types.

It really is undeniable.
But - hey - it shows the truth, in action, - even in social dynamics, -of Einstein's Theory of Relativity.!

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Reply #191 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 7:58pm

How is the war on drugs going are you winning or being beaten by people on drugs?

Look at what is costs to enforce a losing battle against potheads maybe the government should legalise it,tax it and the consequences might be those making a fortune from it will lose a source of income.

It was only criminalised so synthetic fibre could compete against hemp, the Dupont family had connections to make that happen.

Jack Herer- The emporer wears no clothes
This book covers all the names and details on why they criminalised hemp in the USA.
I think there may be free copies online search for it.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #192 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 8:08pm Thanks for the 'heads up' !
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Reply #193 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 6:10am

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Jack Herer- The emporer wears no clothes
This book covers all the names and details on why they criminalised hemp in the USA.
I think there may be free copies online search for it.

I'll have a look for that one.

I think that it's been scientifically and blatantly ascertained that THC is not a relatively harmful chemical in itself.
The real harm is to the economic machine.
Granted that one won't care as much, one won't work as much, and one will be more sedate in a distasteful or hostile environment.

It hasn't been proven that taking dope is more dangerous to the community whilst driving a car than being tired, being in a bad mood, being on the rags, working too hard, being a male between the ages of 18-25, etc. etc.

In all probability, smoking a couple of bongs would make anybody a safer driver than dutifully being the average (screwed up) punter who abides by every dictated law that is thrown at them.
If you abide by all of that crap, then you are bound to be a moron and an unsafe driver, and I wouldn't get in the car with you for the life of me.i

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Reply #194 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 2:50am

Driving ui?

As it generally opens the mind, rather than muffling it, as with alcohol - I would agree whole-heartedly.

Driving becomes serious business, rather than a complacent and everyday activity, performed on semi-auto.

I remember - years ago now- of a fairly famous US DJ taking part in a test - designed to measure the influence of Pot on driving response times. Compared to same test ui of alcohol.

In fact I think he was also an actor, just can't remember the name, but can see the face. Hang on - its coming...ah - the show he was on 'WKRP' or something close, about a radio station, and he played a DJ /Opportunist/Womaniser-type
But - this was a real study.

Using sensitive equipment to measure reaction time and other responses. It was funny.
The tester was confounded by the fact that the guy performed better after a smoke of Pot, than he did when they did the base-line test when he was uninfluenced by either Pot or Alc. Goes without saying- he went BAD when pissed. More Pot? Slightly better again.

Believe it or not!!.

SEE - we only get told the bad propaganda, 'cos it supports the Govt position. They daren't let the population as a whole be fully informed - 'cos it proves their lies. Censorship on this topic is HUGE.

Its been happening for years. Angry

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