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Reply #135 - May 11^th, 2011 at 10:38am

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Not that I think pot is something that should be used for pleasure (millions would disagree with me)

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Lol, make that millions, plus one.

I smoked pot for almost three decades, and would happily smoke it almost anytime, still, but I just happen to not anymore, mainly because it is expensive, and not freely available, but if it were, I would happily have a joint, and a beer after work, as I used to, which was indeed a very real pleasure for me at the time.

Even though I no longer smoke it, my position remains as it was when I did, it is pleasant, and relatively harmless fun, for the overwhelming majority of people who choose to use it.
Just because I no longer do, I do not believe others should be deprived of the opportunity, or be subjected to mixing with criminal elements merely because they find it enjoyable.

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Reply #136 - May 11^th, 2011 at 11:05am

mozzaok wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

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Not that I think pot is something that should be used for pleasure (millions would disagree with me)

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Lol, make that millions, plus one.

I smoked pot for almost three decades, and would happily smoke it almost anytime, still, but I just happen to not anymore, mainly because it is expensive, and not freely available, but if it were, I would happily have a joint, and a beer after work, as I used to, which was indeed a very real pleasure for me at the time.

Even though I no longer smoke it, my position remains as it was when I did, it is pleasant, and relatively harmless fun, for the overwhelming majority of people who choose to use it.
Just because I no longer do, I do not believe others should be deprived of the opportunity, or be subjected to mixing with criminal elements merely because they find it enjoyable.

That part is probably the best argument for making it legal to grow a small quanitity (maybe one plant) for personal use only. The problem would be enforcement of that limit and the fact that children could be exposed to it.

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Reply #137 - May 11^th, 2011 at 11:12am

muso wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 11:05am:

mozzaok wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

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Not that I think pot is something that should be used for pleasure (millions would disagree with me)

mantra

Lol, make that millions, plus one.

I smoked pot for almost three decades, and would happily smoke it almost anytime, still, but I just happen to not anymore, mainly because it is expensive, and not freely available, but if it were, I would happily have a joint, and a beer after work, as I used to, which was indeed a very real pleasure for me at the time.

Even though I no longer smoke it, my position remains as it was when I did, it is pleasant, and relatively harmless fun, for the overwhelming majority of people who choose to use it.
Just because I no longer do, I do not believe others should be deprived of the opportunity, or be subjected to mixing with criminal elements merely because they find it enjoyable.

That part is probably the best argument for making it legal to grow a small quanitity (maybe one plant) for personal use only. The problem would be enforcement of that limit and the fact that children could be exposed to it.

In WA, it was decriminalised to grow upto 3 plants (outdoor) for personal use. All reports showed that this change was having a positive effect. Unfortunately, the lib government then decided to show how 'tough on crime' they were and flagged their intention to re-criminalise it, going against all recommendations made during the 'drug summit'

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Reply #138 - May 12^th, 2011 at 12:27am

" This is correct. That's why potentially dangerous drugs should only be administered and managed by a qualified medical practitioner."

If you mean that Muso you are really confused.!! Or perhaps you DO mean that only Drs should be able to allow you to drink alcohol or take Paracetamol, drink excess coffee or smoke cigarettes (to name just a very few!!).!
No....... hang on a minute - we already know these can be dangerous in many circumstances. Only they are not subject to prescription/proscription.
You mean you prefer it as it is now? - with criminals being the purveyor?? - with no medical practitioners able to play a role in management? Isn't that sort of ...er..counter to your own argument??.

"That part is probably the best argument for making it legal to grow a small quanitity (maybe one plant) for personal use only. The problem would be enforcement of that limit and the fact that children could be exposed to it. "

This.. your reply to the obvious criminal consequences of illegality. Huh

This.... really shows how naive you really are. Roll Eyes

In fact, it shows that you have NO qualification whatsoever to make any useful or authorative comment to this debate.
Please please spare us your unhelpful musings. Cry

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Reply #139 - May 12^th, 2011 at 8:29am

Emma wrote on May 12^th, 2011 at 12:27am:

" This is correct. That's why potentially dangerous drugs should only be administered and managed by a qualified medical practitioner."

If you mean that Muso you are really confused.!! Or perhaps you DO mean that only Drs should be able to allow you to drink alcohol or take Paracetamol, drink excess coffee or smoke cigarettes (to name just a very few!!).!
No....... hang on a minute - we already know these can be dangerous in many circumstances. Only they are not subject to prescription/proscription.
You mean you prefer it as it is now? - with criminals being the purveyor?? - with no medical practitioners able to play a role in management? Isn't that sort of ...er..counter to your own argument??.

"That part is probably the best argument for making it legal to grow a small quanitity (maybe one plant) for personal use only. The problem would be enforcement of that limit and the fact that children could be exposed to it. "

This.. your reply to the obvious criminal consequences of illegality. Huh

This.... really shows how naive you really are. Roll Eyes

In fact, it shows that you have NO qualification whatsoever to make any useful or authorative comment to this debate.
Please please spare us your unhelpful musings. Cry

I already stated what my qualifications are. As a self-confessed regular user for many years, I think you've disqualified yourself from any unbiased discussion on the matter.

I absolutely agree with your assessment that alcoholics and cigarette smokers should be managed by a doctor. It's a pity more people didn't think that way.

Paracetamol is not addictive and it causes nausea if taken in large quantities and prolonged use can cause kidney problems, in common with alcohol. . At least it has quality control and instructions on the packet. If you are taking huge numbers of paracetemol tablets (similar to your intake of marijuana) then you would need medical management. No doubt about it.

You should also see a doctor about your addiction to cannabis.

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Reply #140 - May 12^th, 2011 at 8:38am

... wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 11:12am:

In WA, it was decriminalised to grow upto 3 plants (outdoor) for personal use. All reports showed that this change was having a positive effect. Unfortunately, the lib government then decided to show how 'tough on crime' they were and flagged their intention to re-criminalise it, going against all recommendations made during the 'drug summit'

All reports? A positive effect? What - on cookie sales?

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Reply #141 - May 12^th, 2011 at 8:56am

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You should also see a doctor about your addiction to cannabis.

Realistically Muso, wouldn't you see that as a bad move?
It's like going to see your doctor for an addiction to riding on trains and he precribes a more harmful solution such as valium to quell the urge to ride on trains.

The facts are facts. Cannibis "per se'" has literally no adverse affects upon the human body.
And while we're at it, we may as well come clean and admit that Heroin doesn't have any adverse affects either if taken in non-lethal doses.

Any substance that you could name can become lethal in very high doses...Water (H2O) and oxygen, can become lethal

.And the facts are facts that cannibis is very lethal to productivity.

Ohhh go cry on another's shoulder....I don't wanna heatr about it.

What we're talking about is not to do with human safety, it's to do with that god awful dreaded scurge called PRODUCTIVITY

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #142 - May 12^th, 2011 at 9:47am I'm not approaching from the angle of productivity. I'll PM you.
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Reply #143 - May 12^th, 2011 at 9:55am

muso wrote on May 12^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 11:12am:

In WA, it was decriminalised to grow upto 3 plants (outdoor) for personal use. All reports showed that this change was having a positive effect. Unfortunately, the lib government then decided to show how 'tough on crime' they were and flagged their intention to re-criminalise it, going against all recommendations made during the 'drug summit'

All reports? A positive effect? What - on cookie sales?

*SIGH*

yes, muso. On cookie sales.

Roll Eyes

But anyway, see for yourself

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Previous research suggested that as long as cannabis use remained illegal, neither the criminal law, nor civil penalties themselves had much impact on rates of cannabis use in the community. Consistent with this, the cannabis use data in this study suggest that, unlike the predictions of those public commentators who were critical of the scheme, cannabis use in WA appears to have continued to decline despite the introduction of the Cannabis Infringement Notice Scheme.

http://ndri.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pdf/publications/T177.pdf

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #144 - May 12^th, 2011 at 10:13pm Thanks for the advice Muso. NOT!! You 've got no right to advise anyone anything on this topic, as I've said already. Focus!! Thats what I'd say to you - think about it.
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Reply #145 - May 12^th, 2011 at 10:51pm

and -
Amadd - totally agree with you, although, 'productivity' and your view, is arguable.

[i[b]]"And while we're at it, we may as well come clean and admit that Heroin doesn't have any adverse affects either if taken in non-lethal doses.
Any substance that you could name can become lethal in very high doses...Water (H2O) and oxygen, can become lethal."[/b][/i]

And i agree with your opinion on H as well. OOOhh Addiction Addiction !!! will reply some.

Even THAT is not necessarily the case.

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Reply #146 - May 13^th, 2011 at 1:26am

Actually Muso. I agree with your points, but you know how much this stuff flies over their cuckoo nests.
I could state that only the Military should have guns and no-one else, not even Cops ...they still wouldn't get it because its all about 'responsibility'.

I never saw the 'fun' watching people smoke a joint, become 'stupidified' by their actions, have a false sense of appetite and then fall asleep finally (like most people feel when they have to put up with the potty ones).
They would light up a joint and then swear that their behaviour patterns and effects were nothing akin to that of a heroine junkie.
...just sit and stare like an autistic child in their own little world "Oh wow man".
Watching a pot head drive is like watching old 98 year old Cecil reacting to a kangaroo upon the middle of the road.

Potheads prefer to keep their leafy habit under the control of Legalities and Politics, for its a far better deal for them than to have Medics take control.

Take it from me Muso, just leave them be with their fascination for a dull expression for recreation (I prefer fun trips to New Zealand for starters). Just live a healthy life and keep walking when they cry for help via their mental disorders ...as many of them do in this nation. Just let em have the last word for what its worth to them. I learn't via Private Health, that there are better people to look after - while Jalane and Co can only cope (and complain about) with the Public (Govt) System.

These days, I find Pot-Heads an EXPLOITABLE COMMODITY ....now thats a real laugh Grin

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #147 - May 13^th, 2011 at 6:13am Emma wrote on May 12^th, 2011 at 10:13pm: Thanks for the advice Muso. NOT!! You 've got no right to advise anyone anything on this topic, as I've said already. Focus!! Thats what I'd say to you - think about it. That's why I recommended you see your doctor/ psychologist whatever.
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Reply #148 - May 13^th, 2011 at 9:58am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 13^th, 2011 at 1:26am:

Actually Muso. I agree with your points, but you know how much this stuff flies over their cuckoo nests.
I could state that only the Military should have guns and no-one else, not even Cops ...they still wouldn't get it because its all about 'responsibility'.

I never saw the 'fun' watching people smoke a joint, become 'stupidified' by their actions, have a false sense of appetite and then fall asleep finally (like most people feel when they have to put up with the potty ones).
They would light up a joint and then swear that their behaviour patterns and effects were nothing akin to that of a heroine junkie.
...just sit and stare like an autistic child in their own little world "Oh wow man".
Watching a pot head drive is like watching old 98 year old Cecil reacting to a kangaroo upon the middle of the road.

Potheads prefer to keep their leafy habit under the control of Legalities and Politics, for its a far better deal for them than to have Medics take control.

Take it from me Muso, just leave them be with their fascination for a dull expression for recreation (I prefer fun trips to New Zealand for starters). Just live a healthy life and keep walking when they cry for help via their mental disorders ...as many of them do in this nation. Just let em have the last word for what its worth to them. I learn't via Private Health, that there are better people to look after - while Jalane and Co can only cope (and complain about) with the Public (Govt) System.

These days, I find Pot-Heads an EXPLOITABLE COMMODITY ....now thats a real laugh Grin

And you say stoners have mental disorders?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120140 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #149 - May 13^th, 2011 at 11:05am Amadd. Quote: Heroin doesn't have any adverse affects either if taken in non-lethal doses. That is rubbish. Tell us that again after a junkie robs your place to get a few bucks for their next hit - because they are hanging out for their smack - their body shaking from withdrawal.
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