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Reply #120 - May 6th, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
Chlorpromazine should be cheap. It costs less than paracetamol to manufacture. I hear that 4 kilograms of pot can cost you 20 years of your life in some parts of the world.  Tongue

You know about Victa's mower that they brought out in 2005? The Victa Corby?  It takes 4 kg of grass, and it's guaranteed for 20 years.

- or the new marijuana scented perfume ? Schapelle No. 4
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Reply #121 - May 6th, 2011 at 11:01pm
 
yep that sure is funny.!! Grin Angry

Mr Pipes in more worried about TAXATION.!!??

Hmmm.  Thats another view Mr Pipes!  But paying a bit of honest tax - or levy is way better than whats happening now.  Unless of course, you've never been caught.!!

"cos you know, in Tax Law, even illegal earnings are taxable, and if you declared it as income, you could , in Law , claim deductions.!!  All that fish emulsion, bright lights, seed trays  whatever - Nothing to bar them as tax deductions, as far as I can see, especially if they are replacing worn out assets.  So where's the rub.??  You 'd rather have people go to prison, or perdition, than pay a bit of honest tax??? Tongue

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Reply #122 - May 8th, 2011 at 10:00pm
 
no reply  eh?

I'm beginning to get reinforced in my thought that I'm the Queen of the Last Word - something that seemed to occur reasonably often on the only other thread not subject to ABC control. , that I've posted to - Beyond.  Altho I shut a few d brains up on ABC as well.

Wanna argue? 
No?

I'd say therefore  - the question is answered, and the answer is YES. Tongue
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Reply #123 - May 9th, 2011 at 1:24am
 
I left the Medical Industry
because I was tired of Australia's focus upon taking Medical advice
from two nations that were more apt at winning wars, let alone practicing Politics.
USA and UK
...just because they spoke the same language.
(...with many nations speaking English, it goes to say it might also be due to 'racial' relations Roll Eyes)

So thats why you will have the last word here in Australia Jalane.

I would like to offer this to show that I'm not naive with bias

...and my 'last word' on this is that the Taliban of Afghanistan legalised and even religiousised the use of Heroine.
It also became one of the biggest sellers of the drug - it had become a heroine nation.

So I just try to live a healthy lifestyle nowadays and watch all the zombies, ghouls and mentally sunny-side-up dopes wonder why I don't give a lab rats anymore.
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Reply #124 - May 9th, 2011 at 8:39am
 
Emma wrote on May 8th, 2011 at 10:00pm:
no reply  eh?

I'm beginning to get reinforced in my thought that I'm the Queen of the Last Word - something that seemed to occur reasonably often on the only other thread not subject to ABC control. , that I've posted to - Beyond.  Altho I shut a few d brains up on ABC as well.

Wanna argue?  
No?

I'd say therefore  - the question is answered, and the answer is YES. Tongue


In terms of political parties and their policies, I would add - just after hell freezes over.

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Reply #125 - May 9th, 2011 at 11:41am
 
Emma wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 11:01pm:
yep that sure is funny.!! Grin Angry

Mr Pipes in more worried about TAXATION.!!??

Hmmm.  Thats another view Mr Pipes!  But paying a bit of honest tax - or levy is way better than whats happening now.  Unless of course, you've never been caught.!!

"cos you know, in Tax Law, even illegal earnings are taxable, and if you declared it as income, you could , in Law , claim deductions.!!  All that fish emulsion, bright lights, seed trays  whatever - Nothing to bar them as tax deductions, as far as I can see, especially if they are replacing worn out assets.  So where's the rub.??  You 'd rather have people go to prison, or perdition, than pay a bit of honest tax??? Tongue




People don't go to prison for growing for personal use, it's a meagre fine, unless you're growing hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth.

Penalties for 'tax evasion' are far higher than penalties for growing a couple of plants for personal use, and I think it's pretty sad that people would have the book thrown at them for simply taking care of their own habit.

Think about it - would you rather use your own product (which you can control) at a cost of $0.00, or have to buy a product with unknown properties - paying the growers, distributors, retailers and of course, the government?
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Reply #126 - May 9th, 2011 at 10:24pm
 
[b]"People don't go to prison for growing for personal use, it's a meagre fine, unless you're growing hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth.

Penalties for 'tax evasion' are far higher than penalties for growing a couple of plants for personal use, and I think it's pretty sad that people would have the book thrown at them for simply taking care of their own habit."
[/b]You think it's sad.  I think it's sad.
OK... so a bit of linguistic largesse on  my part,  but - I'd agree with all you said
except that at heart, the people who do get into police trouble are usually young.  And - eventually - they may well land in prison. Because of the criminalisation of Pot.
There are Medical landmines in all our daily lives, thanks Muso, but the 'issue ' doesn't end there. Even if it should. The Law doesn't allow that!.

By keeping Pot illegal, we are seriously undermining our youth. And by extension - our future.
Young  people see the harm from alcohol, and often suffer it, but know its legal.  
So they look for something else and smoke, - and realise they don't get aggro or maudlin, they don't want to wander around looking for fun and getting into strife.   So - they see the REAL outcomes.
How to reconcile the difference in legal treatment of the two substances I speak of??- How to make sense of it?  Good luck kids - !!
We already see the results of this policy in place -  just about everywhere. But we Adults don't seem to grasp the significance - when many of our youth most need the support of their fellows, they get the opposite.
We are stacking the odds against them..

By keeping Pot illegal, we are seriously undermining our youth. And by extension - our future.
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Reply #127 - May 10th, 2011 at 10:56am
 
muso wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 11:34am:
... wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 2:07pm:
OK, so the report is written a bit crappily (as is par for the course on news.com) The weed didn't 'cure' the brain tumour as is rpeorted, but it is one of, if not THE best appetite stimulants around.  You can't fight if you have no energy, so it may very well have been the differnce between life and death.


Poppycock. Any of the tetracyclic antidepressants such as Mazindol or Amoxapine, or even Chlorpromazine are far more effective than smoking weed.


I am sorry to tell you this muso, but you believe to easily in the pharmaceutical company doctrine, because for whatever strange reasons there may be, a significant number of people react differently to different chemicals, and a definitive statement that the drugs you listed are always superior, in all circumstances, for all people, is as unrealistic as Jalene thinking marijuana is the best.
FOR THE MAJORITY, YOU WILL BE CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER GET THE OPTION TO TRY THE MARIJUANA ALTERNATIVE TO DECIDE WHICH THEY PREFER.
I think that needs to change, because for many it does provide a good solution, while the mood altering aspects may also provide an extra calming benefit at the same time, which should be available for those that prefer it.

A little story about how pharmacology does not always go the way they expect was related to me by one of my sister's old acquaintances. She was a very long term narcotic addict, and after decades of abuse, and several treatment programs, all of which were only ever partially successful, her Doctor put her on Subutex, which is some sort of opiate replacement I believe, and for the first time in over thirty years, this woman stopped using illicit drugs. She stayed on this subutex for about five or six years, without a single relapse, and then the government said that a new combination of subutex, and nalexone (or something like that name) would be used, because the new ingredient blocked opiate receptors on the brain, and would make it even more effective. She had no issue with that, and went on to the new drug, but within weeks, she had found the craving for hard drugs had returned, and she started to use heroin again, despite having no intention, or desire to do so, until the drug she was on that had worked for her, was "improved" by the pharmacologists.
Theoretically the new mixture should have been an improvement, and there is absolutely no scientific reason why it would cause her to start to crave hard drugs again, but to her dismay, and detriment, it did. She may be the odd one out of may who had no such problems, but her request to be allowed to go back onto subutex was refused, and now she struggles to stay free of illicit drugs. So I always remember that story when I hear people say that this "one" drug is the way to treat everybody, because while many will no doubt experience the expected effects, a few will not, and those people also deserve to be able to receive the treatment that is best for them, even if it is something like marijuana. I am not saying it should be every prescribing physicians first choice, but it should be in his bag of tricks for those that it does help.
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Reply #128 - May 10th, 2011 at 11:57am
 
marijuana was an old method of sedation for primitive hack/slash operations.

...now its just a modern 'joke'  Roll Eyes
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Reply #129 - May 10th, 2011 at 8:35pm
 
au contraire ! Cheesy
Tried and true!! Smiley

But I never said it was the best,  jeez hoose ! do get sick of people putting words in my mouth! Tongue
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Reply #130 - May 10th, 2011 at 10:01pm
 
Jalane likes to blow her own trumpet Grin

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Reply #131 - May 11th, 2011 at 12:15am
 
well g'day Grey. Smiley How's it going? What d'ya know? Kiss

But I say, old chap, what are you on .... about.!? Hmm?
Contextually, I'd have to assume the Trumpet you show is the deadly 'Datura'!. .

Please correct me if I'm wrong . Cheesy
Other then that - (lyric coming up: Warning!)

What the f ck? what the f ck Chuck? (Repeat)
Cool
Err  - cheers to you too!  Stay away from those Mushies now you hear? OK? Wink
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Reply #132 - May 11th, 2011 at 2:29am
 
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Reply #133 - May 11th, 2011 at 10:07am
 
mozzaok wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 10:56am:
muso wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Poppycock. Any of the tetracyclic antidepressants such as Mazindol or Amoxapine, or even Chlorpromazine are far more effective than smoking weed.


I am sorry to tell you this muso, but you believe to easily in the pharmaceutical company doctrine, because for whatever strange reasons there may be, a significant number of people react differently to different chemicals, and a definitive statement that the drugs you listed are always superior, in all circumstances, for all people, is as unrealistic as Jalene thinking marijuana is the best.
FOR THE MAJORITY, YOU WILL BE CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER GET THE OPTION TO TRY THE MARIJUANA ALTERNATIVE TO DECIDE WHICH THEY PREFER.


Mozzaok has made a good point here. Not that I think pot is something that should be used for pleasure (millions would disagree with me), but it can be used for medicinal purposes for those who have been used as guinea pigs by the chemical companies.

I, for one have never been able to tolerate any sort of mind altering chemical - and over the years I've been prescribed anti-depressants which seem to be a quick fix offered by most doctors. Within a couple of days they've brought on massive panic attacks which is far more unpleasant than just feeling depressed.

Mind you - I did try pot a few times when I was a teenager and it had exactly the same affect, but I've heard it's great for cancer patients when they lose their appetite.

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Reply #134 - May 11th, 2011 at 10:33am
 
mozzaok wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 10:56am:
I am sorry to tell you this muso, but you believe to easily in the pharmaceutical company doctrine, because for whatever strange reasons there may be, a significant number of people react differently to different chemicals, and a definitive statement that the drugs you listed are always superior, in all circumstances, for all people, is as unrealistic as Jalene thinking marijuana is the best.
FOR THE MAJORITY, YOU WILL BE CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER GET THE OPTION TO TRY THE MARIJUANA ALTERNATIVE TO DECIDE WHICH THEY PREFER.
I think that needs to change, because for many it does provide a good solution, while the mood altering aspects may also provide an extra calming benefit at the same time, which should be available for those that prefer it.

A little story about how pharmacology does not always go the way they expect was related to me by one of my sister's old acquaintances. She was a very long term narcotic addict, and after decades of abuse, and several treatment programs, all of which were only ever partially successful, her Doctor put her on Subutex, which is some sort of opiate replacement I believe, and for the first time in over thirty years, this woman stopped using illicit drugs. She stayed on this subutex for about five or six years, without a single relapse, and then the government said that a new combination of subutex, and nalexone (or something like that name) would be used, because the new ingredient blocked opiate receptors on the brain, and would make it even more effective. She had no issue with that, and went on to the new drug, but within weeks, she had found the craving for hard drugs had returned, and she started to use heroin again, despite having no intention, or desire to do so, until the drug she was on that had worked for her, was "improved" by the pharmacologists.
Theoretically the new mixture should have been an improvement, and there is absolutely no scientific reason why it would cause her to start to crave hard drugs again, but to her dismay, and detriment, it did. She may be the odd one out of may who had no such problems, but her request to be allowed to go back onto subutex was refused, and now she struggles to stay free of illicit drugs. So I always remember that story when I hear people say that this "one" drug is the way to treat everybody, because while many will no doubt experience the expected effects, a few will not, and those people also deserve to be able to receive the treatment that is best for them, even if it is something like marijuana. I am not saying it should be every prescribing physicians first choice, but it should be in his bag of tricks for those that it does help.


This is correct. That's why potentially dangerous drugs should only be administered and managed by a qualified medical practitioner.  For the record I actually worked as a Pharmaceutical Research Assistant for two years just after finishing my first degree, so I do have some background (albeit not very current).

In Australia, it's up to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to decide whether or not a drug is accepted for medical use in Australia, and this is the appropriate way to go. They have the expertise in that area and they follow the appropriate protocols.

You can't do brain surgery by democracy and you certainly can't do drug evaluation by democracy either, regardless of whether (totally impartial  Grin ) users sprinkle it on their cornflakes every morning or not.  
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